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  When a Witness claim the uniqueness of Bible and its accurate prophecies!

  by abiather in

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  with the bulletin of atomic scientists moving its iconic doomsday clock up 2 minutes on 23.01.2015 (which means we are just three minutes closer to midnight in comparison to 17 minutes to midnight in 1991), and rapturewatch.net/timelines.htm predicting the end of the world as early as 2017, subject of last days is getting heated up again..

  next time you have a witness boasts about the uniqueness of biblical propheciesespecially about last days, you can point the following photographic description of our times found in srimad bhagavatam, one of the ancient scriptures written even before the bible:.

  1) religion, truthfulness, cleanliness, tolerance, mercy, duration of life, physical strength and memory will all diminish day by day because of the powerful influence of the age of kali (age of unrigteousness).12.2.1.

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  When, exactly, was it written?

  The Google search function is quite marvelous...

  http://www.veda.harekrsna.cz/encyclopedia/sb.htm
  

  13th century CE as a date for Srimad Bhagavatam was accepted by scholars until the half of 20th century. Nevertheless, the work Tahqiq-i-Hind by Alberuni, a Muslim who made a study of the India in the 10th century CE, mentions Bhagavata Purana.

  
  Nowadays the date 9th century CE predominates. The critics claim that the Bhagavatam mentions Hunas and thus it had to be written after their invasion to India in 5th century CE. Nevertheless, the Hunas are mentioned also in older texts such as Lalitavistara, a Buddhist work dated to 3rd century CE, and Mahabharata, a recognized archaic work. These evidences indicate that this race was known before the invasion and its mention in the Bhagavatam doesn't suggest any occupation.

  
  Others argue that Bhagavatam was influenced by the philosopher Sankara (commonly accepted: 8th century CE) because of similarity of ideas and of the language. But Gaudapada, teacher of Govinda who was teacher of Sankara, mentions the Bhagavatam in his Uttaragita-bhasya and in his commentary on Sankhya-karika makes reference to other two verses.
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  When a Witness claim the uniqueness of Bible and its accurate prophecies!

  by abiather in

  1. watchtower
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  with the bulletin of atomic scientists moving its iconic doomsday clock up 2 minutes on 23.01.2015 (which means we are just three minutes closer to midnight in comparison to 17 minutes to midnight in 1991), and rapturewatch.net/timelines.htm predicting the end of the world as early as 2017, subject of last days is getting heated up again..

  next time you have a witness boasts about the uniqueness of biblical propheciesespecially about last days, you can point the following photographic description of our times found in srimad bhagavatam, one of the ancient scriptures written even before the bible:.

  1) religion, truthfulness, cleanliness, tolerance, mercy, duration of life, physical strength and memory will all diminish day by day because of the powerful influence of the age of kali (age of unrigteousness).12.2.1.

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  OrphanCrow

  It tells me that mankind has commonly foretold a "last days" marked by social upheaval and lowering personal standards.

  Yes. There is even a fable written about this phenomena.

  Chicken Little was on her way through the woods to her grandmother’s when something fell on her head. She picked herself up and shrieked, “The sky is falling!” Then she gathered her skirts and ran off in all directions. “Help! The sky is falling!” she cried. “Help! Help! The sky is falling!”

   

  

  
  
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  Upton Sinclair "The Profits of Religion."

  by ctrwtf in

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  what a great read.

  what's interesting is that this was written in 1917. right about the time when the wt was being born.

  he doesn't mention jw's directly but does mention the millerites.

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  Ctrwtf, I actually thought that Sinclair was pretty light on Russell.

  I like his little footnote after his very brief mention of Russell:

  P.S. A few months pass, and while this book is going to
  press, “The Finished Mystery” is suppressed by the government
  and several score “Bible Students” are landed
  in jail for sedition.

  I lost my notes I had made on the Golden Age articles, but I seem to remember that Upton Sinclair got a plug for his book Brass Check in one of the issues. The early Golden Age magazines published many articles supporting socialist views.

  
  
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  Upton Sinclair "The Profits of Religion."

  by ctrwtf in

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  what a great read.

  what's interesting is that this was written in 1917. right about the time when the wt was being born.

  he doesn't mention jw's directly but does mention the millerites.

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  He doesn't mention JW's directly but does mention the Millerites. 

  No, Sinclair doesn't mention the JWs because they were known as Bible Students at the time he wrote this essay.

  In Book 6 of The Profits of Religion, in the chapter titled Bible Prophecy (pg 203) Sinclair speaks of Pastor Russell and the Bible Students.

  Upton Sinclair was spoken of favorably in the Golden Age magazines during the years that the WTS was pro-Socialist.
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  When a Witness claim the uniqueness of Bible and its accurate prophecies!

  by abiather in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  with the bulletin of atomic scientists moving its iconic doomsday clock up 2 minutes on 23.01.2015 (which means we are just three minutes closer to midnight in comparison to 17 minutes to midnight in 1991), and rapturewatch.net/timelines.htm predicting the end of the world as early as 2017, subject of last days is getting heated up again..

  next time you have a witness boasts about the uniqueness of biblical propheciesespecially about last days, you can point the following photographic description of our times found in srimad bhagavatam, one of the ancient scriptures written even before the bible:.

  1) religion, truthfulness, cleanliness, tolerance, mercy, duration of life, physical strength and memory will all diminish day by day because of the powerful influence of the age of kali (age of unrigteousness).12.2.1.

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  OrphanCrow

  you can point the following photographic description of our times found in Srimad Bhagavatam, one of the ancient scriptures written even before the Bible:

  Huh?

  "Photographic" description? From "ancient scriptures written even before the Bible"?

  Seriously?

  
  
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  A random HISTORY of that old rugged cross used by JW's until 1931

  by TerryWalstrom in

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  corinthians 1:18, holman christian standard bible "for to those who are perishing the message of the cross is foolishness, but to us who are being saved it is gods power.

  an austrian radiologist, hermann moedder, experimented with medical students in the 40's, hanging them by their wrists with their hands directly above their heads (much like the watchtower pictures jesus on a stake).

  in a few minutes, the students became pale, their lung capacity dropped from 5.2 to 1.5 liters, blood pressure decreased and the pulse rate increased.

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  An Austrian radiologist, Hermann Moedder, experimented with medical students in the 40's, hanging them by their wrists with their hands directly above their heads (much like the Watchtower pictures Jesus on a stake). In a few minutes, the students became pale, their lung capacity dropped from 5.2 to 1.5 liters, blood pressure decreased and the pulse rate increased. Moedder concluded that inability to breathe would occur in about six minutes if they were not allowed to stand and rest. 
  The same would apply to Christ, IF he were suspended on a stake as the Watchtower depicts him, hung from hands bound directly overhead, he would have suffocated in a matter of minutes. 

  Terry, I often thought that this WT depiction of Jesus was physically impossible:

  
  

  

  
  
  

  
  

  There is an photographic image that exists that depicts individuals strung up on posts. It is a staged photograph illustrating the punishment posts that are alleged to have been used by the SS during WW2 in Germany. The photograph was taken in 1958 but it shows how a person would look if they were hung on a stake. 

  
  

  

  
  

  
  
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  How do Americans feel about Canadians and Britons interjecting their opinions onto hot localized political topics: gun laws, abortion, ect?

  by adjusted knowledge in

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  in addition to the above question, why do citizens of the two above mentioned countries, or other countries, feel the necessity to tell americans how they should interpret the american constitution for localized issues?.

  i fairly much have an idea what the general population in the usa feels in regards to the first question.

  this could be one of the possible reasons cnn piers morgan poor ratings and eventual firing.

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  Yes, I can understand Americans who get pissed off when someone from another country sticks their nose into something they don't understand.

  It is sort of like Ellen Degeneres mouthing off about the seal hunt in Canada when she knows nothing at all about it. Or some celebrity from Britain deciding that they have the right to disrupt traditional Canadian hunting that has been done for centuries. It is called wildlife management, you idiots!

  So, on one hand, we have the know-nothing celebrities taking shots at the Canadian seal hunting, and then on the other hand, we have the ultra rich American hunters coming up from Texas and shooting our cattle because they think they are moose!
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  Last nights meeting...

  by DATA-DOG in

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  i know dubs are delusional.

  i know dubs don't reason well.

  i know dubs are a bit off, like many groups.

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  It was not the norm to see pre-teens getting baptized, although if you go back even further (50+ years), it did happen more often, based on what my mother has told me.

  Cadellin, my mother was dunked when she was six years old. Back in 1939 - right at the start of WW2, there was a concerted effort to baptize children. The parents thought it would ensure their children's survival of the impending Armageddon - the Final War. *to add - I spoke to her recently about this - she is now 81. She said this:" When they asked me if I wanted to live forever and survive the war, of course I said Yes. I was only six - I wanted to make my mom and dad happy. I didn't know anything else. i was only six!"

  The War years were ripe times for child baptism in the Watchtower - Rutherford did his final appearance at the infamous Children assemblies in 1941 and the assembly report for St. Louis says:

  There have been thousands of children at other Watchtower assemblies, but never before were 15,000, who had been previously registered, seated entirely by themselves in the main portion of one of the world's greatest auditoriums. Never before were more than 1,300 children immersed at one time.

  The age to register the children at that assembly was all those between 5 to 18. I don't know if any 5 year olds were baptized but there are reports of 6 year olds being immersed at that time. 
  

  
  
  

  
  
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  Happy at Bethel. Can't believe what I'm seeing.

  by Pubsinger in

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  apologies if this has already been posted but i am speechless.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nnbmyudrwgs&x-yt-ts=1422327029&x-yt-cl=84838260#t=72.

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  But then again, I am easily amused and my tastes are questionable. 

  I think the video was meant as an 'internal' motivational tool. It goes along with the re-branding and re-marketing that is happening with the WTS. The video is a corporate tool designed to motivate workers - Bethel is sort of like working for WalMart or one of those cult-like big stores that sing songs before each shift.

  Methinks there is much ado ahappening inside the Watchtower stronghold  - their strategies are about re-grouping and re-aligning...I wonder who is in line for the boot? The WTS' behaviors all point to major divisions inside the power base.

  
  
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  Jehovah's Witnesses requesting financial transparency in Spain

  by JHK in

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  two jehovah's witnesses requesting financial transparency in spain branch.

  one picture in the assembly hall and another on the bridge.. .

  http://johnhenrykurtz.blogspot.com.es/2015/01/transparencia-financiera-llegara-antes.html.

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   Besides that every JW is part of the organisation. So if the organisation is forced to pay things they collectively share the burden.

  InsideKH, I see.

  Isn't that exactly what the court cases, that the WTS is fighting right now over child abuse settlements, are all about? That the 'organization' is 'arm's length' from its members?

  It sounds to me like 'having your cake and eating it too'...