A random HISTORY of that old rugged cross used by JW's until 1931

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  • TerryWalstrom
    TerryWalstrom

    Corinthians 1:18, Holman Christian Standard Bible ® 

    "For to those who are perishing the message of the cross is foolishness, but to us who are being saved it is God’s power." 

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    An Austrian radiologist, Hermann Moedder, experimented with medical students in the 40's, hanging them by their wrists with their hands directly above their heads (much like the Watchtower pictures Jesus on a stake). In a few minutes, the students became pale, their lung capacity dropped from 5.2 to 1.5 liters, blood pressure decreased and the pulse rate increased. Moedder concluded that inability to breathe would occur in about six minutes if they were not allowed to stand and rest. 

    The same would apply to Christ, IF he were suspended on a stake as the Watchtower depicts him, hung from hands bound directly overhead, he would have suffocated in a matter of minutes. 

    Zugibe, however, discovered that if students were hung by hands outstretched to the side at 60/70 degrees, they would have no trouble breathing for hours on end. Since Luke 23:44 and Matthew 27:45,46 show that Christ was on the cross for about three hours, the evidence points again to death on a traditional cross.

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    From www.geocities.com/faithin...ence.html: 

    “Many ossuaries were discovered that date to the 1st century in a cave near Bethany. Inscribed in Greek and Hebrew with names of many Christians listed in the New testament (NT). Some had inscribed crosses, some not. Listed names in Hebrew include: Salome, wife of Judah (with a cross); Judah (with a cross); Simeon the Priest; Martha, daughter of Pasach; Eleazar, son of Nathalu; and Salamston, daughter of Simeon the Priest. In Greek: Jesus (twice repeated with a cross); Nathaniel (with a cross)….Another found several years ago: Inscribed with ‘Alexander, son of Simon of Cyrene,’ as well as a cross….In 1945, many more found with crosses, 2 inscribed with name of Jesus, and one had a coin minted in A.D. 41 for King Herod Agrippa I, indicating it was sealed by A.D. 42.”

    From http://www.leaderu.com/th...cave.html: 

    “The first century catacomb uncovered by archaeologist P. Bagatti on the Mount of Olives contains inscriptions clearly indicating its use, ‘by the very first Christians in Jerusalem.’ A ‘head stone’, found near the entrance to the first century catacomb, is inscribed with the sign of the cross.” 

    From http://www.bible.ca/D-crucifyJesus.htm: 

    ““Historical findings have substantiated the traditional cross. One finding is a graffito1 dating to shortly after 200 A.D., taken from the walls of the Roman Palatine. It is a drawing of a crucified ass; a mockery of a Christian prisoner who worships Christ. The Romans were no doubt amused that Christians worshiped this Jesus whom they had crucified on a cross.” 


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    The Cross and Crown pins were first advertised in the Sept. 1, 1906 Watch Tower

    The Dec. 15, 1909 and subsequent ZWTs through the years give the following description of the "Cross and Crown Pins":

    "Gold, beautiful, good and cheap. The cross is red enamel, the wreath in green--$1.35. The same without the green on wreath, $1.25. In silver enameled wreath and cross, 25 cents; size 3/4 inch. Plain gold without enamel, 1/2 inch, $1.15. These are wholesale rates and include postage." (Adjusted for inflation: $25)


    November 1, 1927 issue of the Watch Tower. On page 335 there is a price list for the cross-and-crown jewelry sold by the Society.

    The 5/8 inch cross-and-crown pin was $1.50. The 1/2 inch version was a real bargain at only $1.25. Cross-and-crown pendants, with and without chains, were also listed for sale. 

    Such was the practice until 1931.

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    Carey W. Barber, later a member of the Governing Body, described the pin: "It was a badge really, with a wreath of laurel leaves as the border and within the wreath was a crown with a cross running through it on an angle. It looked quite attractive and was our idea of what it meant to take up our ‘cross’ and follow Christ Jesus in order to be able to wear the crown of victory in due time" (1975 Yearbook, p. 148).


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    Epistle of Barnabas (100 C.E.): 

    “…the cross was to express the grace [of our redemption] by the letter Τ….” 

    “Here again you have an intimation concerning the cross, and Him who should be crucified….in Moses, when Israel was attacked by strangers….the Spirit speaks to the heart of Moses, that he should make a figure of the cross, and of Him about to suffer thereon….Moses therefore placed one weapon above another in the midst of the hill, and standing upon it, so as to be higher than all the people, he stretched forth his hands….”

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    Justin Martyr (died 165 C.E.): 

    “[The cross], as the prophet foretold, is the greatest symbol of His power and role; as is also proved by the things which fall under our observation. For consider all the things in the world, whether without this form they could be administered or have any community. For the sea is not traversed except that trophy which is called a sail abide safe in the ship; and the earth is not ploughed without it: diggers and mechanics do not their work, except with tools which have this shape. And the human form differs from that of the irrational animals in nothing else than in its being erect and having the hands extended, and having on the face extending from the forehead what is called the nose, through which there is respiration for the living creature; and this shows no other form than that of the cross. And so it was said by the prophet, ‘The breath before our face is the Lord Christ.’ And the power of this form is shown by your own symbols on what are called ‘vexilla’ [banners] and trophies, with which all your state possessions are made, using these as the insignia of your power and government, even though you do so unwittingly. And with this form you consecrate the images of your emperors when they die, and you name them gods by inscriptions.” 

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    It's historical fact that the Romans killed people on crosses. Pagan people using a pagan object - what a surprise!
  • TerryWalstrom
    TerryWalstrom

    The Watchtower religion (WATCHTOWERISM) gradually got rid of all things associated with Christianity.

    "In one respect many of Christendom could learn numerous important lessons from these wise Gentiles....They worshiped him in three senses of the word: (1) They fell before him, prostrated themselves, thus physically expressing their reverence. (2) They worshiped him in their hearts and with the tongue gave expression to their rejoicing and confidence. (3) They opened their treasure-box and presented to him three gifts appropriate to royalty: the myrrh representing submission, frankincense representing praise, gold representing obedience." Zion's Watch Tower 1906 Jan 1 p.15

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    "Should we worship Jesus? 
    Consequently, since the Scriptures teach that Jesus Christ is not a trinitarian co-person with God the Father, but is a distinct person, the Son of God, the answer to the above question must be that no distinct worship is to be rendered to Jesus Christ now glorified in heaven. 
    Our worship is to go to Jehovah God. However, we show the proper regard for God's only-begotten Son by rendering our worship to God through and in the name of Jesus Christ. Even now when we kneel in prayer, as Paul did according toEphesians 3:14-19, we offer prayer in the name of Jesus Christ in obedience to his own directions (John 15:16; 16:23-26), but the prayer itself is addressed, not to Jesus, but to God his Father. In this way we keep things in their relative positions."Watchtower 1954 Jan 1 p.31
    Today, the Governing Body is made of men who call themselves CHRIST (i.e. 'anointed') and claimtheir Organization is the only means of Salvation for mankind.They have replaced the CROSS lapel pin with their emblem:



  • Village Idiot
    Village Idiot
    Good research. Would one of these Watchtower cross and crowns pins be available somewhere?
  • TerryWalstrom
    TerryWalstrom

          




  • TerryWalstrom
    TerryWalstrom

    Usually these things pop up on EBAY. I saw one for $500 awhile back.

    Not quite sure what THIS is:

    http://www.ebay.com/itm/Bible-Students-Patch-Crown-and-Cross-3-1-2-x-3-1-2-/381117986195?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item58bc66f593

  • TerryWalstrom
  • Village Idiot
    Village Idiot

    Terry: "Not quite sure what THIS is:"

    Could it be something that current day "Bible Students" have? Do they still use that symbol?

  • Jonathan Drake
    Jonathan Drake

    This is great. Jws hate the cross, but it's absolutely undeniable he would have died on a cross. there were different kinds of crucifixions performed. But whenever the Romans had a place of execution (I.e., the "skull place") the stakes were permanently affixed to the ground. So that being a historical fact, what part did Jesus carry? Hmmmm


    also how heavy would that stake have to be? I've thought about that before and they probably used a long tall log. Long enough to hang the human body high off the ground and strong enough not to break. No way he carried his actual stake. Cross beam? Sure. Stake, no way.

  • Village Idiot
    Village Idiot

    Jonathan Drake, you've done your research. I believe the Romans called the cross beam Patibulum in Latin.

     

  • Jonathan Drake
    Jonathan Drake

    @village

    oh cool, I don't remember reading that bit. I've read two books about Rome and I only own one of them

    http://www.amazon.com/Rome-Empires-Story-Greg-Woolf/dp/0199325189/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1422584325&sr=8-1&keywords=Rome+an+empire

    im not sure if the bit about places of execution was in that book or the one I got from the library. But I THINK it was this one... It was a good book. 


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