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  Another subliminal picture in the WT!!!!

  by DATA-DOG in

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  i just happend to wonder if the current issue had any hidden goodies.

  imagine my delight!.

  a gold star to the first person to correctly identify the image!.

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  OrphanCrow

  What? Delete this thread? After I invested so much time responding to it?

  I am disapponited that you think my words shoud be dismissed so readily. I consider myself to be 'learned' and I am not embarassed by this thread.
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  Psychological Effects of Color

  by RedPillPopper in

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  for item #1 check out the color for trust.

  totally ironic and you know the borg chose this on purpose.. .

  http://goweloveit.info/entertainment/these-8-psychological-facts-will-help-you-understand-a-lot-more-about-life-5-is-a-game-changer/?utm_source=taboola&utm_medium=referral.

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  OrphanCrow

  Actually, according to my college art class, it's not red that is the primary color, it's fuchsia.

  I think you might have this mixed up a bit, Grreatteaher.

  Fuschia - or magenta - does not exist within the visible light spectrum. Our brains make it up because our eyes don't respond to that particular wave of the electromagentic spectrum. Magenta sits outside of the nanometers that our eyes are attuned to. It is a combination of both ends of the visible light spectrum and those ends don't meet - our brain makes the loop.

  Red is a 'primary' color.

  You, or your instructor, may have 'primary' confused with 'purity' of color.
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  Another subliminal picture in the WT!!!!

  by DATA-DOG in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  i just happend to wonder if the current issue had any hidden goodies.

  imagine my delight!.

  a gold star to the first person to correctly identify the image!.

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  OrphanCrow

  I understand the conflict that occurs whenever this subject is brought up.

  Those who reject the existence of subliminal images in Watchtower literature, are rejecting the cause of the images appearing as they do, along with denying their existence in the first place.

  Once a person accepts the existence of the subliminal elements in the images, they are faced with the task of determining who put the images there, how did they do it? And why?

  I will get to why some people perceive the images and some don’t in more detail later but basically, it is a combination of ‘seeing’ equipment – our body technology combined with what the way our brains have been conditioned to process information that is transmitted to it by the limitations of said seeing apparatus.

  I think everybody is right, from each of your perspectives. If you deny the existence of the subliminal images…you are right – they don’t exist within your capacity to perceive them. I believe you – you don’t see them. The act of seeing is a very personal act. Seeing involves the ‘camera lens’ (our eyes) and the brain – to process and interpret what it is that our ‘lens’ has captured from the light bouncing off our environment. So, what we ‘see’ is very personal – our brains have all developed differently depending upon the culture we have been exposed to – including the womb environment our brains have been formed in - it is our brain that has the bulk of the responsibility in the seeing process.

  It is also the brain that operates as the primary component responsible in the act of image making. In other words, the artist’s brain is what is responsible for the artist making the image. People think that an artist draws with their hands – but the hand is just the tool that the brain uses. How well the brain directs the hand is attributable to training – the trained artistic hand is the one that is ‘finest’ – it has a trained pathway that allows it to operate ‘in the background’ while the right side of the brain – the one that can’t speak…it has no language – can ‘create’. The right side of the brain, the creative side – is spectacular at both creating and recognizing pattern.

  So, a trained artist, one who has developed the ability to allow functioning of left brain processes to operate in the background while freely allowing access to right brain creativeness, may often produce what some people call ‘accidents’ in the art. I take exception to the notion that art is ‘accidental’ It isn’t. Art is the result of the artist’s brain – even if the artist themselves think that the ‘subliminal’ image produced by them were not put there by them, I disagree. The artist put them in there, regardless of if it was their left side of the brain (logic, rationality, choice) made the decision to put it there or the right side of their brain decided to do it.

  That is why ‘accidents’, hidden images, things the artist didn’t really intend to put in their images end up in there at times. I have painted deliberately this way at times – allowing the patterns to emerge from repetitious left brain decision making in the painting process – curious at what will emerge from right brain freedom.

  So, to all of those who are ‘embarrassed’ to read or view this thread, or who are shocked, consider that the artists who are producing these images are actually very fine artists – it is within the image making process that they find peace – where they can ‘shut down’ that left brain noise – and allow their trained hand to function in the background, and allow that right brain to go to work. It is a beautiful place to visit – to total right brain space – it is a quiet place…the right brain has no voice…it is total silence and pure image. And the artist ‘floats’ because the right side of the brain can see and function upside down and sideways. It doesn’t need a ‘reference point’ to operate, like the left side of the brain does.

  And that is what we are seeing when we see those ‘accidents’ in Watchtower images – we see inside that silent, right brain, of the Bethel artists. These are the images that reside inside of the brains of Bethel people. The artist is showing them to us – their images contain the ‘speech’ of the right side of their brains. And you will notice that the themes of those images are the ones that are forbidden – they are denied expression in the left brain world – the world of false rationality that has been created by the WTs restrictive doctrine. So when all that constant indoctrination is given to people about sex and demons being bad, and told to not think about them, the brain just tucks those images into the right side of the brain and doesn’t let them surface – unless the left brain slips and lets the right brain talk – through image. The image is the language of the right side of the brain – it has no words.

  So that explains the ‘accidents’ that occur on one level of image production – right brain dominance of trained artists. But the artist makes conscious decisions along the way of in the steps of image production – the left brain is always ‘in the picture’ – assessing the image, deciding which colors to use where, what surface to make the image on, etc. – especially when it comes to figurative representations. Choosing where to make a line where becomes a left brain function and artists who work primarily in the forming the human figure are very much aware of what the lines can and do represent to the viewer. Because the placement of the lines are so critical to accurate representation, the artist makes small compensatory ‘adjustments’ to erase those areas that sexual connotations and such occur. Their left brain recognizes those areas immediately – especially when they do as most artists do – they assess their image from all sides, including upside down – to evaluate the formal balance of the overall image. And when ‘accidental’ areas occur, like the Cain’s chest area – they change it so that it doesn’t resemble female genitalia anymore. Or they enhance it. And artists who work with human body representations are very much aware of which areas are the most manipulative – that is why when I first viewed the image posted that this discussion is based on, the chest area of Cain was so apparent. As an artist, I knew that that spot was vulnerable to image manipulation, especially sexual imagery.

  So I think that everybody can be right. A person’s ‘lens’ can be different – their camera might not recognize the full spectrum of light that enters their ‘camera’ – some people do not have a full range of color recognition in their cameras. Their ‘camera’ doesn’t register the full light spectrum. Some people have a touch of ‘color blindness’- men more than women lack the ability to differentiate changes in light quality. And many of these subliminal images are color based. Not everybody has the body technology to perceive them. You may not see the images. That is true.

  And then there is artist to consider – did they or did they not do it deliberately? I think it is a combination of both. Some subliminal elements are right brain ‘speech’ and some are deliberate – both the artist and persons involved in the image making production doing deliberate acts, a result of left brain rationality.

  There is a whole other level to the image production that is not in the hands of the artist. And that is the publisher of the image themselves. We are not viewing the original artwork. Once Watchtower art leaves the artist’s control, other people and their brains take over – each with their own type of brain functioning. And the process of image making and decision making starts all over again. There are many brains besides the artist’s that are involved in the steps of image production.

  I have a difficult time believing that someone, somewhere inside that organization, did not look at the image on its way to final copy, and say, “Hey…that looks like a goat!”, or, as they passed the table the image was lying on, but viewed it from the other side of the table instead of right side up didn’t say “Holy crap! Look at the hair on Cain’s chest! Oh My Jehovah!…we must correct that.” My question is this – accidental or not, why are the subliminal elements not changed before the image is released into copy production? Accident or not, these images have passed approval and it is not reasonable to think that somebody didn’t see the subliminal elements before they arrived into the realm of the intended audience.

  On a previous thread about this subject, one of the comments referred to the ‘moon landing’ and said that people who didn’t believe in the moon landing were the same as those who believe in subliminal images. I propose, though, that it is exactly the opposite – those who take the position that the subliminal images are not there are the same as those who refuse to accept that the moon is made of rock and stubbornly hold onto their idea that the moon is made of cheese quite simply because that is the way that they see it. If you can accept that someone walked on the moon, and accept that the moon really is made of rock instead of cheese, from people who have been there, even though you have never personally walked on the moon, then I would ask you to accept the existence of the places that the artist has been as well.

  The moon isn’t cheese – the astronauts who went there can attest to that. If you can accept that, then you have the capacity to accept the word of the artists who have been to the right sides of their brain and returned with evidence of those excursions.
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  Another subliminal picture in the WT!!!!

  by DATA-DOG in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  i just happend to wonder if the current issue had any hidden goodies.

  imagine my delight!.

  a gold star to the first person to correctly identify the image!.

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  OrphanCrow

  I would like to apologize to everyone that I offended with the images I posted.

  They were very graphic and, yes, I understand that they were shocking to some of those who viewed them

  When I read the OP, I was curious as to what was supposed to be so obvious in the image. It is pretty evident that the hide that Cain is wearing is 'off'. However, what I saw first wasn't the goat.

  For those who are wondering what it was I saw - here is where you look.

  Turn the image upside down and zoom into Cain's chest.

  This is an old trick and one that was used in one of the 'pioneer' images in subliminal advertising - and subsequently banned. (no wonder you 'banned' my cropped images, Simon ;) )

  http://smkhounlo.wordpress.com/2013/05/03/subliminal-messages-in-design-and-advertising/

  http://subliminal-ads.com/
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  Another subliminal picture in the WT!!!!

  by DATA-DOG in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  i just happend to wonder if the current issue had any hidden goodies.

  imagine my delight!.

  a gold star to the first person to correctly identify the image!.

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  OrphanCrow

  I apologize Simon. On the last thread thatwas about subliminal images, the cropped images of male genitalia were not removed. Are you saying that it is only female genitalia that is to be considered obscene?

  It is not my intention to break forum rules. I was unaware of the different rules for different genders.
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  Psychological Effects of Color

  by RedPillPopper in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  for item #1 check out the color for trust.

  totally ironic and you know the borg chose this on purpose.. .

  http://goweloveit.info/entertainment/these-8-psychological-facts-will-help-you-understand-a-lot-more-about-life-5-is-a-game-changer/?utm_source=taboola&utm_medium=referral.

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  OrphanCrow

  So the gray cover of the new NWT is an attempt at JWs exhibiting a more neutral and calming presence to potential converts when carrying and reading the NWT in the field?

  You know, gray is also a metaphor for that which is unclear/uncertain/questionable. When I see the gray NWT, the expression "gray area" comes to mind.

  Yes, the color grey can connote all those concepts.

  But, it is also the color of authority.

  Think of grey suits - and the connotation of soldier uniforms. Grey is an army uniform color.
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  Psychological Effects of Color

  by RedPillPopper in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  for item #1 check out the color for trust.

  totally ironic and you know the borg chose this on purpose.. .

  http://goweloveit.info/entertainment/these-8-psychological-facts-will-help-you-understand-a-lot-more-about-life-5-is-a-game-changer/?utm_source=taboola&utm_medium=referral.

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  OrphanCrow

  I know this sounds psycho. Maybe someone who knows more about psychology than I do could address this.

  No, you are not at all psycho - you are someone who has awareness of the effects of color on your physiological and psycholoical responses.

  This is a large area of study in cognitive perception within the field of psychology. And artists, too, are well aware of the psychological effect of color.

  Nope, you are not psycho...you are right on target.

  I'm not sure if I react to the colors the way the chart says

  Maybe not - personal past experience always has a role to play in our perceptual processes. Variations in individual responses are to be expected.
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  Surrey B.C. Congregation of JW's - Elder - Official FUNDRAISER ?

  by LogCon in

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  below are pasted pages from website landoffree.com - canada with information about registered charities.

  the one i direct attention to is the tynehead park congregation of jehovah's witnesses.. note several items.. rick worsley - elder - is identified as fundraiser.. has anyone seen this title applied to other jw's.

  tynehead park congregation of jehovah's witnesses, surrey b c from british columbia, surrey, surrey has not been rated yet.

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  OrphanCrow

  The title of "fundraiser' would indicate that they are using the title to qualify as a non-profit under the Charities Act of Canada.

  As in...if you are a charity, you require some dude with that title - charities work on donations and somebody has to be in that position for the non-profit to retain non-profit status.

  Or to apply for goverment funding under charitable organization project funding.

  The title is just part of the non-profit system in Canada.

  Do not the authorities monitor these rubber stamped documents to verify just where the money is going?

  Sometimes they do. It is part of the audit process but it isn't done in detail all the time. Canada has an over-worked government check system.
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  I need an answer from an Elder or someone who knows!

  by Truth and Justice in

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  my brother after so many years decides to call me.

  i am totally surprised.

  i didn't know what to think.. so i began to open up by saying "hey ______, what a surprise!

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  OrphanCrow

  Truth&Justice, I know that you want to believe that he is contacting you out of 'love for his brother'....but...I have had over 40 years of the occasional contact from my sister who is still a devout JW. Never once was the contact actually only about our being family. It always ended with her doing whatever she was told to by her congregation. Always.

  I am of the opnion that these occasional contacts are only for the purposes of 'witnessing'. Don't forget the insiduousness of their 'ministry training'. Family contact with those who have 'fell away' is just an easy way for them to count time. Sorry...I don't mean to be rude, but, I never trust a JW until they become an exJW...and sometimes not even then. I would bet money that your brother dutifully marked down his time for the call.

  These occasional contacts are 'allowed' at times - it gives the JWs still in a sense of purpose for a brief period - followed by the instilled persecution complex if the one 'fallen away' doesn't respond properly. The contact is really just 'love bombing'. The bottom line is and always will be - whatever the WTS says it is.

  But...I could be wrong about your brother - maybe he really is making contact about his doubts - I just wonder why that didn't come up in your first contact if that were indeed true. It certainly would have been an opportunity for brother bonding if he had.
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  Tower of Babel built by Babies!

  by Billy the Ex-Bethelite in

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  the weekly tms bible reading assignment is not read, or not carefully read, by most of the sheeples.

  it doesn't really matter, because the consideration of the bible reading material is one of the shortest parts on the meeting with a limited number of comments, and those comments are restricted to less than 30 seconds or you will get counselled.

  over and over, the dubs are told to read the bible, yet the organization gives no real encouragement to read the bible by keeping everyone busy in the recruiting work and using relatively few scriptures in their "talks".. why?

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  OrphanCrow

  Literal reading of Genesis will always get you in trouble - the text has been compiled from pre-existing cultures and was put in written form after centuries of oral tradition. The fragmentation of the text accounts for much of the inconsistencies in it.

  The story of the tower and city of Babel seems to be somewhat out of place in the position that it has been placed.

  Genesis is composed of several oral traditions that have been woven together and the fragments of the different stories that have survived don’t quite link up properly. I believe that the story in Genesis 11 would ‘read’ better if it was placed somewhere prior to the beginning of Genesis 5.

  I think that this fragment of oral tradition has been misplaced in the written order when the Old Testament was eventually put into written form. Genesis 11:1-9 appears to ‘not fit’ when you read the context around it. It has been placed in the middle of a genealogical record that addresses the generations that arose after the flood of Noah.

  In the passages that precede Genesis 11, it is evident that different tribes of men already had different languages. And, it is also apparent that these tribes are already ‘scattered’. Genesis 10:20 says:

  These are the sons of Ham, after their families, after their tongues, in their countries and in their nations.

  The story of Babel in Genesis 11 predates the story of Nimrod in Genesis 10.

  Genesis 10:10 says this about Nimrod:

  And the beginnings of his kingdom was Babel, and Erech, and Accad, And Calneh, in the land of Shinar.

  The text reads such that Nimrod’s kingdom was established after Babel was named. Babel did not exist prior to the story told in Genesis 11 – it came about after the Lords scattered ‘the people’ abroad after confounding the language. Genesis 11:9 says:

  Therefore is the name of it called Babel…

  And, the other interesting thing about Genesis 11 is that it is one of the places in the Old Testament that the Lord is referred to in the plural. Verse 7 says:

  Go to, let us go down and there confound their language…

  Which is another reason why I think that this passage belongs to the same larger oral creation myth that Genesis 1:26 comes from:

  And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness…

  The form of Genesis 11, from verse 1 to verse 9, is quite beautiful and melodious – it uses recurring expression and structure – it is very poetic. The repetition of words is what keeps the text flowing. (I use the King James version….I love the unicorns in it…)

  Take the first few words from each stanza…:

  "And the whole earth…

  "And it came to pass…

  "And they said…

  "And they said…

  "And the Lord came down…

  "And the Lord said…

  Etc….

  The meaning is quite specific in the text that falls within the proscribed structure. Therefore, when the text says "the whole earth", I think it really does mean – the whole earth. The first verse does not say ‘children of men’ like verse 5 does. It says ‘the whole earth’. It was ‘the children of men’ who did the building of the city and tower. When the text refers to ‘people’, I believe it is referring to all beings who lived on the earth…’people’ would mean animal people, bird people, fish people, plant people….

  I think that this story is referring to a time in the world’s mythic past when people believed that communication was possible between all living things. Many cultures around the world have origin myths that refer to a past in which men and animals were able to communicate with each other. Therefore, the phrase ‘the whole earth’ means just that – communication between all living things –plants included.

  The Lords’ conclusion that: "…and now nothing will be restrained from them, which they have imagined to do" is quite intriguing.

  What I try to understand is why the unification, through language and speech, of all living things – animals, plants, and the ‘children of men’ – would pose such a serious threat to the ‘Lords’.

  Did all those other living things have knowledge that the Lords didn’t want the children of men to have? Why would that unbroken communication be something that needed to be changed? What would our world be like if we, as humans/children of men, could communicate freely and abundantly with the rest of the ‘people’ – the animals, birds, fish and even plants? What would they tell us? What could the ‘whole earth’ tell us about our existence here, where we came from, and where we are going? What secrets could the birds tell us? What do the animals know that we don’t?

  And…who are the Lords? What kind of beings are they?