Posts by paradisebeauty

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JW's are semi-trinitarians and do not understand the Sacret Secret

by paradisebeauty in

i have been searching pro and anti arguments for trinity, and found out there are anti-trinitarians who believe jesus did not preexist before his human life.

and i am thinking, it kind of makes sense.

what if yahweh created a second adam.

paradisebeauty

@ The Searcher

Thank you for the research, very useful, and I'll use some of the verses you compiled.

Thanks again!

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when speaking of "the truth" jehovah's witnesses may have in mind several contexts, including.... "... the entire body of christian teachings that has become part of the bible..." w08 12/15 p. 27-p. 29 par.

13and/or the body of knowledge determined by the "... highest ecclesiastical authority for the faith of jehovah's witnesses..." which is arrived at and sanctioned by the governing body and as stated by gerrit losch in his legal submission to the supreme court of california in february 2014.indeed, most jehovah's witnesses may not discriminate between these two perspectives and will likely envisage the body of knowledge determined by the gb as synonymous with that stated in the aforementioned 2008 wt magazine ("entire body of christian teachings").

however, a number of dissenting/analytical jehovah's witnesses, former congregants, etc., will discern an increasing gulf between that which is scripturally derived / determined, and the body of knowledge arrrived at by the gb.gerrit losch in the following magazine article "w12 8/1 p. 28 champions of the truth" is noted as having asked....''how do we know we have the truth?

paradisebeauty

There are not two classes of christians! They do not get this.

What 99% of the jw hope for is the hope of the unjust. People who never heard of Yah will be resurected as fleshly unsaved people in the millennial kingdom. Those will "benefit" of the Christ's sacrifice and kingdom.

Christians inherit the earth and they receive salvation not just "benefits" from Christ's sacrifice.

And Christians do come back back on earth with Jesus to really rule and administrate the kingdom.

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Today's daily text made me laugh!

by paradisebeauty in

anointed christians knew that 1914 would mark a turning point regarding divine rulership.

as soon as they discerned the fulfillment of bible prophecy, they boldly declared to others that gods rule had begun.

today, with so much evidence that gods kingdom is already established in heaven, why do the majority of people not accept what this means?

paradisebeauty

It goes like this:

Anointed Christians knew that 1914 would mark a turning point regarding divine rulership. As soon as they discerned the fulfillment of Bible prophecy, they boldly declared to others that God’s rule had begun. Today, with so much evidence that God’s Kingdom is already established in heaven, why do the majority of people not accept what this means? Why are they not able to connect the dots, so to speak, between the state of the world and specific Bible prophecies that God’s people have long been publicizing? Could it be that most people are focusing attention on just what they can see with their eyes? (2 Cor. 5:7) Does their preoccupation with human affairs blind them to what God is doing? (Matt. 24:37-39) Are some of them distracted by the noise of satanic propaganda? (2 Cor. 4:4) It takes faith and spiritual perception to see what is happening in the spirit realm. How glad we can be that we are not blind to what is really going on! w14 1/15 5:6, 7

The GB is the only blind one! Still dwelling in the illusion that Christ's reign began in 1914. I wonder where they see the "so much evidence that God’s Kingdom is already established in heaven". Spiritual perception? They have none, still believing some stupid conclusions drawn from measuring the pyramids and some crazy ideas of the self proclaimed "judge" Rutherford who decided to create 2 classes of christians ...
After much study I came to believe the "magnificent 7" have no idea what they are taking about. It's nothing but a bluff!!!
But unfortunately, so many people are deceived by them ...

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WT Mantras / Thought Stoppers

by Ding in

i've been thinking about how the gb controls jws through the use of short phrases or scripture quotes (often partial quotes ripped out of context).. think of the sound-bite responses you know jws are going to give you in response to points you try to make to them.. ones that come to my mind immediately are:.

-- "the light gets brighter and brighter.".

-- "who, then, is the faithful and discreet slave?".

paradisebeauty

"Jehovah always had an organization"

No, he did not "always" have an organization. Out of 6000 years of human history, how many years did Yah have an organization. And out of those years, how long was the organization acting on Yah's will. The kings of Israel, most of the times persecuted and kill Yahweh's prophets.

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How a Gay Jewish Boy from New England Came to Be and Leave the JWs (and what he did next)

by CalebInFloroda in

born in cambridge, ma to a liberal couple that escaped the conservative south, my parents raised me better than to become a jehovahs witness.

funny thing was they got mixed up in it first.. while that is a story for another time, i myself had to go along as the third of five children in my family.

dads job transferred him to texas and my mom worked fulltime herself, but eventually we found ourselves drinking the kool-aid of ambiguity intolerance and full-fledge belief that the bible was literal fact and that salvation was found only by those who were smart enough to enter the confines of the watchtower.. its weird how many people claim they fear children raised by two gay parents will grow up to be gay.

paradisebeauty

You have an interesting story Caleb.

And I read some of your other threads, you are very well documented on the Bible.

And you are very good with words, Yours is the longest thread I actually read.

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Do they ever meditate on their hope?

by paradisebeauty in

i just realized that 99% of jw have the same hope as the "unjust".

they want to live forever in a paradise on earth.

but they say this is also what all the "unjust" people who never knew jehovah will get.

paradisebeauty

the sad thing is that these people preach the hope of the unjust, and Paul said in Galatians 1:8:

But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach a gospel other than the one we preached to you, let them be under God's curse!

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Where did Jesus get the Idea of an After-life in Heaven?

by John Aquila in

the ancient jews did not believe in an after-life as far as i can tell, correct me if i'm wrong.

the watchtower says yes.

they say all the prophets believed in a paradise earth..

paradisebeauty

Well, christians will be taken to heaven and be with the Lord forever, so where the Lord will be, there the christians will also be. Jesus said he will come back on earth towards the end of tribulation, for the battle of Armaghedon and to rule on earth for 1000 years.

Guess who is coming back to earth with Jesus - yes, the christians who were raptured before. They will help administer the earth from the earth, during the millennial kingdom.

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Babylon the Great and the Anti Christ

by Perry in

similar views as those presented here are gaining in popularity in christian circles.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wgmrfatdvtm.

paradisebeauty

Some say babylon the great are the christians who will not be taken at the rapture.

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Do they ever meditate on their hope?

by paradisebeauty in

i just realized that 99% of jw have the same hope as the "unjust".

they want to live forever in a paradise on earth.

but they say this is also what all the "unjust" people who never knew jehovah will get.

paradisebeauty

I just realized that 99% of JW have the same hope as the "unjust".

They want to live forever in a paradise on earth.

But they say this is also what all the "unjust" people who never knew Jehovah will get. So, the unjust will be resurrected and have eternal live on paradise just like all jw's with an earthly hope???

The only difference is that the unjust will probably attend a bible study a while after they are resurrected.

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Is it Wrong to Doubt or Even Disagree With the GB? The Watchtower Reasoning....

by freemindfade in

this would be a good one for jw apologist who scream and panic with anyone who feels the moral direction of the wt publishing company has gone astray.

a comment at the bible highlights last night blew my mind, here is the article that was referenced.

btw this account always bothered me, remember when it was in a drama?

paradisebeauty

I set my mind to read the new testament as I would read it for the first time. Tried to forget all my preconceived ideas, and when I draw the line I realized that:

- the "the other sheep" are gentiles who accept Jesus

- God did not "steal" / make Jesus's body disappear after his death, nor did Jesus "materialized" in different bodies

- Jesus is not Michael the archangel

- Jesus is definitely not an angel - Hebrews chapter 1&2

- The Jewish people will accept Jesus towards the end

- the new testament is for all Christians

- there is just one christian hope.