so apparently the new watchtower russia exhibition features a pretend cell for jws to take pretend "persecution selfies' and wallow in the glorious suffering that is essential for watchtower theology to work - yet is strikingly missing from the lives of 99% of witnesses.. in fact most governments go to great lengths to protect the rights of witnesses, spending millions in public funds either directly to watchtower - in the form of grants ( norway, germany etc) - in various types of tax relief, or in the money spent in court cases establishing watchtowers rights and freedoms (& protecting their kids, whether they know it or not).. i'm interested to know how everyone feels about this...particularly terry walstrom and other guys who have spent time in jail in the name of watchtower's freedom of conscience.
personally i think it reeks of desperation by watchtower and is another example of the type of fantasizing that witnesses regularly indulge in.. also....funny how the end is soooo close that they've had time to build a museum of watchtower history!!
anyone else see the irony in that?!
Yep, good OP and youtube video.
JWs in Russia do experience some persecution but it seems the WTS is milking it and using it to validate their beliefs and virtue-signal. Pretty lousy behaviour if you ask me.
BTW there are religious minorities that experience extreme persecution - Eqyptian Copts, Syrian Christians, Saudi Shiah, Yazidi, etc.
The persecution experienced by Russian JWs is nothing in comparison.
kurd is the word - the word is kurd________who the heck are they?.
once upon a time, world war one ended and three people created a new place out of thin air called: iraq.
(gertrude bell, lawrence of arabia, winston churchill).this new country was divided up into 3 chunks:kurdsunnishia_____solemn promises made by colonel t.e.
I said atrocities specifically aimed at the West - Ok.
The Islamists were at the gates of Vienna in 1529.
I'm guessing they committed terrible atrocities at that time - POWs weren't treated as humanely as they are today.
I'm guessing a few heads must've rolled and a few European women raped.
Is this not good enough?
You want assaults specifically against The West, before the first Iraq war?
kurd is the word - the word is kurd________who the heck are they?.
once upon a time, world war one ended and three people created a new place out of thin air called: iraq.
(gertrude bell, lawrence of arabia, winston churchill).this new country was divided up into 3 chunks:kurdsunnishia_____solemn promises made by colonel t.e.
How many [Islamist atrocities] can you give pre Bush snr?
Jesus Christ, we're spoilt for choice!
You're an intelligent person but historically illiterate, it must be said. There was the Luxor Massacre* in 1997. Islamist extremists beheaded and slaughtered a bunch of tourists in Luxor, Egypt, in 1997.
Too recent? Ok the founder of Islam, Prophet Muhammad, himself beheaded hundreds of Jewish captives, in accord with an Arabian judge's ruling. Muhammad dug trenches outside the court. Then the male captives were split into two groups: those who had underarm and pubic hair, and those that did not. Members of the first group were beheaded with a sword. I remember reading this account:
"An adult male Jewish captive was brought out. He had torn his expensive clothes so that Muhammad and his followers couldn't loot his clothes post mortem. He kneeled down and his head was struck off."
I've got a pretty good memory so it's close to being verbatim. Beheading is one of the Hudud punishments in Islam (the reason why Saudi Arabia beheads criminals).
These and many others like them are atrocities. Unlike Christianity, Islam never had a reformation.
If you care to honestly examine the history of the ME, you'll find that it is steeped in blood.
kurd is the word - the word is kurd________who the heck are they?.
once upon a time, world war one ended and three people created a new place out of thin air called: iraq.
(gertrude bell, lawrence of arabia, winston churchill).this new country was divided up into 3 chunks:kurdsunnishia_____solemn promises made by colonel t.e.
The current situation in Syria is much more than just the mistakes of the Sykes-Picot Agreement.
With the benefit of hindsight, it's easy to say that the Kurds should have been given their own nation state. Yeah, that's a good point but it's very easy to breezily declare that with 20/20 vision/hindsight.
The Middle East has always been a region rife with tribalism, massacres, 'holy wars', beheadings and genocide.
Here's a clip from a day or two ago in northern Syria. Syrian Sunni extremists, supported by the Turkish army, promise to behead any 'infidel' Kurd they find. A truly disturbing threat, when we consider the fate of James Foley, Stephen Sotloff, David Haines and Alan Henning.
And here's another thing: a large chunk of our mainstream media are highly critical of the USA being the world's policeman. And these same media criticise Trump for pulling troops out of Syria.
Well, what's it gonna be?
You can't have it both ways, darlings.
what unique to jws phrases do you remember?
something fun for those of us taught to speak an entirely unique and pure language.
there have been posts in the past in this forum but perhaps some have new ones after having kept up with jehovah's chariot as the light gets brighter.
Some people say we are brain washed. Well, most people need a good brain washing wouldn't you say? - yeah, I remember that one!!
That one is pure cringe, 100%
what unique to jws phrases do you remember?
something fun for those of us taught to speak an entirely unique and pure language.
there have been posts in the past in this forum but perhaps some have new ones after having kept up with jehovah's chariot as the light gets brighter.
'Privilege' ... as in
"Isn't it a wonderful privilege to clean the KH toilets and vacuum the KH carpet."
Er, yeah, whatever you say, Brother Child Porn.
so i'll be speaking on a panel as part of the "when rights and religions collide" event next saturday, october 19. if you'd like to attend you can learn more here:https://rightsandreligions.com/.
i'm also going to host a meetup on sunday if any of you are in the nyc area.
i'm still putting the finishing touches on the details but if you'd like to join in and meet myself, my wife, and a few people that listen to the shunned podcast or that are in my facebook group called by the same name shoot me a private message soon.
Hi Dubstepped!
I hope the talk goes well.
You're an intelligent person who knows what they're talking about so it should be good.
All the best.
LUHE
the new site at www.apostat.es will provide a few free tools to help us reach out to the jehovah's witnesses we still care about.
podcasts can be hosted for free, as can blogs and articles.
you can create your own store to sell your apostate tee shirts, posters calendars etc.. it will show jw's that apostates are normal, healthy folks who simply changed their minds about their former beliefs.
Normal people don't make tee-shirts to show people how normal they are - wrong. Normal people make tee-shirts with stuff on all the god damn time. There's even a word for it - 'merch'.
Normal people don't refuse blood transfusions.
Normal people report child abuse and allegations of child abuse to the police.
admit it, we all have things that we reel off when people ask what our favourite music is, just the same as if people ask what our favourite movies are.
we're meant to say "citizen kane" and "casablanca" and not "battleship" or "pacific rim" but we know what we're going to watch if they are ever on tv at the same time (and which ones we've never actually seen).. so how about some confession time?
what do you listen to when no one else is in the house?.
@Giles Gray - yeah, I like Saviour's Day.
I like the pipes in it (whatever you call them).
admit it, we all have things that we reel off when people ask what our favourite music is, just the same as if people ask what our favourite movies are.
we're meant to say "citizen kane" and "casablanca" and not "battleship" or "pacific rim" but we know what we're going to watch if they are ever on tv at the same time (and which ones we've never actually seen).. so how about some confession time?
what do you listen to when no one else is in the house?.
Here's another blast from the past (from the 90s this time).
Me and my mates used to listen to hardcore music (happy, jungle and techno) when I was about 15, 16 and 17.
Here's a song from 1996. It mixes a happy hardcore tune with Blur's Girls and Boys.
The vid also features a couple of cute dancers.
