the growing monster in the organization known as ldc is coming for your ice cream money, your children's ice cream money, and your children's children's ice cream money.
they also need the free skilled labor of all your future generations.. you know the outlandish figure read out mid-afternoon at the ca?
that represents a $10.00 per publisher charge for the privilege of using the assembly hall.
OTWO: obviously the WTBS, the parent corporation, is corrupt. But the way LDC acts in particular has a number of long-time die-hard JWs crying foul. Even from their perspective the personality of this department is callous, arrogant, and knows no personal boundaries.
Crazyguy: I agree 100%. Thanks for distilling the truth of it down to a few words.
the growing monster in the organization known as ldc is coming for your ice cream money, your children's ice cream money, and your children's children's ice cream money.
they also need the free skilled labor of all your future generations.. you know the outlandish figure read out mid-afternoon at the ca?
that represents a $10.00 per publisher charge for the privilege of using the assembly hall.
The growing monster in the organization known as LDC is coming for your ice cream money, your children's ice cream money, and your children's children's ice cream money. They also need the free skilled labor of all your future generations.
You know the outlandish figure read out mid-afternoon at the CA? That represents a $10.00 per publisher charge for the privilege of using the assembly hall. I have it on good authority that before LDC took over, the rate was figured at $4.50 per publisher. That extra $5.50 on top now goes directly to LDC so they can.... build one KH per state per year, maybe?
So thus far, congregations, KH operating committees, circuits, and assembly halls have had to give up their surplus funds to "worldwide work". Congregations are stuck with a never ending mortgage on their kingdom hall under the guise of an equalizing. Possibly the biggest money-sucker is LDC through assemblies. The publishers, of course, are not told about this because they do know that building has ground to halt. They are being fleeced as though the great building program spoken of nearly two years ago was actually underway.
There have been some interesting ideas in other threads about what the org is up to with LDC.
Funny bit of overheard conversation from a former RBC volunteer to current LDC henchmen: "You know, RBC could have built ten halls in as much time as you guys have taken to build two."
so i was scrolling through the latest morning worship videos and found our good friend tony m. explaining why the gb is not dogmatic.
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you can find hirs reasoning at around the 3:30 mark here..
will you be a survivor of the last days?.
serving with jehovah’s unified organization.
move ahead with jehovah’s unified organization.
i am just curious who on this board is in the same situation has i am?
a spouse that is fully brain doogled in and you are awake to ttatt.. without going into serious detail and no names are given.
i would like to possible talk with one of you all, it's just so helpful to communicate with someone in the same situation as me.. i am located in the southwest united states..
It floors me whenever a wife is awake but the husband is still mentally in. It stands to reason that in any marriage, one is more likely to question things and pursue answers. With most of the couples I know in the organization, the man is more likely to raise big questions and less likely to 'wait on Jehovah'. This is just my own experience. Also, these are usually appointed men who have seen more, given more, and in some cases been screwed over more. Just the other day I heard a very responsible brother go on a bit of a rant about recent changes in the organization and then suddenly stop himself with the phrase "of course we don't question Jehovah's organization." Too late.
Part of the reason for this variation I think is that most JW's, whether conscious of it or not, have a threshold in their mind above which all the decisions are made by Jehovah and below which all the decisions are made by men. For some it's at the congregation level (elders), for some it's at the circuit level (CO) and others take everything with a grain of salt if it didn't come directly from the branch. Still others can be mentally in and yet recognize the factions and power struggles between departments within headquarters, but they still hold the GB as untouchably holy. Fine. Wherever the line is, you can work with it.
So for me the only way to make progress with those who are still asleep (but stirring) is to push the line back of what's perceived to be done by "men" and what is done by Jehovah. If you can push it all the way above the heads of the Governing Body you get them to see that Jehovah has left the building and before they know it, they're awake. I say all this because this is how it happened for me as I read more and more, and compared it with what I saw. You lose faith at one level, then the next, then it all comes down.
If you can get a spouse to question the elders, or even a CO, that's progress. Get them to question the branch and you're really getting somewhere. ("Where is all the money going?" is a really good one right now). Question the GB, nearly free. Question Jehovah, definitely over.
oh how wonderful those experiences at assemblies and "schools" are - not.
at times it seemed as if these "experiences" were scripted.
the speaker gets criteria in the outline regarding what the experience or interview has to be about.
i am just curious who on this board is in the same situation has i am?
a spouse that is fully brain doogled in and you are awake to ttatt.. without going into serious detail and no names are given.
i would like to possible talk with one of you all, it's just so helpful to communicate with someone in the same situation as me.. i am located in the southwest united states..
brother richard (dick) morlan, a former co & do for many years, now lives in gadsden alabama, usa.
he is 77 years old.
i saw him at a recent assembly in dekalb county alabama and ask him about the prospects of him dying in this "system of things".. his reply was, "i am going to make it till armageddon, but if i should die before then, then the governing body is going to have to add another overlapping generation to another overlapping generations"!.
I heard Morlan speak about ten years ago at my local KH. He packed the house. People came from neighboring congregations just to hear this talk he was known for giving on Revelation. It was just about the most urgent, convincing, and exciting "last days of the last days" talk I ever heard. Everyone hung on his every word, and he seemed so convicted of his material he could barely contain his own excitement. He really knew his stuff, could explain JW end times doctrine backwards and forwards and really sell it.
In light of this James Jack's story is very interesting indeed. I think some longtime DO's who are both heavily invested and knowledgable are among the most likely to have deconstructed the GB's doctrines over the years. Whether or not they can see that it's all BS I think depends more on their emotional state than on any lack of intellectual capability.
thw wts likes to play games with their statistics.
one interesting but truly tragic is the number of jwhovah's witnesses who commit suicie.. now i suspect that if a person commits suicide shortly before or after they are disfellowshipped then the elders would say that person wasn't a witness or that they had done something so terrible that they were too guilty to admit it and by their action of committing suicide they pretty much declared they were no longer a jw.. yup fancy talk to make sure any crap didn't fall on them.. so my question.. do you know of cases like this?
if so then can you answer a few more questions.. had this person been dfed or in real danger of being dfed or whatever the equivalent is if they were never baptized?.
hesitantly i attended this talk with my family and sat through it without batting an eye.. mentally i take myself out during the entire meeting some would describe this as daydreaming or zoning out.
whatever the case may be, for some reason this particular speaker, whom i know of but not personally, got my attention the way he would say certain phrases.
he cited some texts that directly advised the audience that faith in christ was the only way to salvation.
We had a CO who often avoided saying "Jehovah" altogether during prayers. He actually ranted to the congregation about brothers who say "Jehovah" twenty times in their prayer, how ridiculous that sounds. It was one of the very few things on which I agreed with him. He was the most hard-line brother I ever met.
