Posts by darkspilver

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HELP needed from folks in UK, esp. in Scotland!

by WTS Archive in

jw
friends

tl;dr: if you live either in scotland or in other parts of uk and you don't mind traveling, you might be able to help a fellow ex-jw by being present during a courtcase where she alone has to face more than two dozens of jws who have ruined their business.

please contact me directly for details on when and where the court case will be held (i will know these details in few days probably).

ps.

darkspilver

Oh! this could get interesting

But first, here's Rab C. Nesbitt, because, well, it's Scotland, so why not?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9T9NM2ZkXVQ

As with the last time pleas were made on this board to support an ex-Witness in civil dispute with the organisation/individual Witnesses there is lots of hearsay and very little verifiable fact.

Working on the assumption that, as this Polish lady is going to court, she has all her papers in order - ie health and safety for the hotel and all the employment contracts in place with all taxes including national insurance, PAYE and whatnot being done all above board.

I think there are two little words missing from the story.

Oh, and I wonder if she got copy approval for that newspaper article?

Now, I'm only a lay person, but the two, ever so slightly controversial little words are....

ZERO HOURS

A 'zero hours' contract is often used in the hotel business - and when used properly it can work well, to the benefit of all, as it provides flexibility to fit in with demand (ie room occupancy etc) and makes a bit more sense of the 24 people being used if they're all part-time on shifts (fitting in with pioneering etc)

Anyway, Wikipedia describes it this way: "A zero-hour contract is a type of contract between an employer and a worker, where the employer is not obliged to provide any minimum working hours, while the worker is not obliged to accept any work offered."

BTW I underlined that last bit, but I'm sure everyone gets the principle? I suspect the Polish lady was using Zero Hours for all her staff and basically, got caught out.

Zero Hours is controversial because it can very easily be misused - there are campaigns against it's use

http://www.unitetheunion.org/campaigning/saynotozerohourscontracts/

So, oh yes! this could get really interesting...

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Hold The Front Page! JWs Fold in Port Dover

by darkspilver in

jw
friends

yes, it was front page news in simcoe...... .

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http://www.simcoereformer.ca/2016/10/21/jehovahs-witnesses-fold-in-port-dover.

darkspilver

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zILOW5_OwWI

My god how the money rolls in

(ed: sung to the tune of "My Bonnie Lies over the Ocean")

My father makes book on the corner,
My mother makes illicit gin.
My sister sells kisses to sailors,
My God how the money rolls in.

*Chorus*

Rolls in , rolls in,
My God how the money rolls in, rolls in.
Rolls in, rolls in, rolls in,
My God how the money rolls in.

My mother's a bawdy house keeper,
Every night when the evening grows dim.
She hangs out a little red lantern,
My God how the money rolls in.

My sister's a barmaid in Sydney,
For a shilling she'll strip to the skin.
She's stripping from morning to midnight,
My God how the money rolls in.

My brother's a poor missionary,
He saves fallen women from sin.
He'll save you a blonde for a guinea,
My God how the money rolls in.

My Grandad sells cheap prophylactics,
And punctures the teats with a pin.
For Grandma gets rich from abortions,
My God how the money rolls in.

Uncle Joe is a registered plumber,
His business in holes and in tin.
He'll plug up your hole for a tanner,
My God how the money rolls in.

Aunt Mary makes deals with the milkman,
The mailman and newsboy named Ben.
For a piece of pie and Aunt Mary,
My God how the money rolls in.

Uncle Tommy was once in a prison,
Where he was a joy to the men,
Now he bends over for business,
My God how the money rolls in.

Aunt Joan keeps a girl's seminary,
Teaching young girls to begin.
She doesn't say where they will finish,
My God how the money rolls in.

My cousin's a Harley Street surgeon,
With instruments long, sharp and thin.
He only does one operation,
My God how the money rolls in.

I've lost all me cash on the horses,
I'm sick from the illicit gin.
I'm falling in love with me sister,
My God what a mess I am in.

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Speculation? What would Watchtower be now if it had fully embraced the internet / technology 20 years ago

by joe134cd in

this has probably been discussed before so please feel free to include links as well.

so what would wt be now if it had encouraged it's members to use the internet or technology for spreading the good news.

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darkspilver

This has probably been discussed before so please feel free to include links as well. So what would Wt be now if it had encouraged it's members to use the Internet or technology for spreading the good news.

The WT would have OWNED the 'net

hundreds of thousands of personal websites

hundreds of millions of comments/postings/pages

could have been massive

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Hold The Front Page! JWs Fold in Port Dover

by darkspilver in

jw
friends

yes, it was front page news in simcoe...... .

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http://www.simcoereformer.ca/2016/10/21/jehovahs-witnesses-fold-in-port-dover.

darkspilver

Yes, it was front page news in Simcoe.....

http://www.simcoereformer.ca/2016/10/21/jehovahs-witnesses-fold-in-port-dover

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Some recent baptism figures in the UK - is there a "bounce back"?

by freddo in

jw
friends

well, round my way (south of the uk) all the way up to and including the regional conventions this summer, baptism numbers have been extremely low.

but i have just received news of three recent circuit assembly days where the figures seem to be higher.

(all have been across the last three weekends at a uk assembly hall in october).

darkspilver

Hi blondie

Now if that doesn't show how it has dropped into the toilet....and no increase of 25 or 35 counts. 1983 87,732 pubs generated 5,154 new people, why did 134,491 pubs only generate 2,286?

Because the WT has passed it's 'honeymoon' period, has entered it's plateau phrase and is likely to be entering it's downward phrase....

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Some recent baptism figures in the UK - is there a "bounce back"?

by freddo in

jw
friends

well, round my way (south of the uk) all the way up to and including the regional conventions this summer, baptism numbers have been extremely low.

but i have just received news of three recent circuit assembly days where the figures seem to be higher.

(all have been across the last three weekends at a uk assembly hall in october).

darkspilver

I didn't start this thread using single digit figures

And I agree with regards to figures, after all there's lies, damned lies, and statistics

BTW, if you don't all ready know about it, you might be interested in the British Religion In Numbers website from Bristol University - http://www.brin.ac.uk

http://www.brin.ac.uk/figures/catholic-community-estimates/

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Some recent baptism figures in the UK - is there a "bounce back"?

by freddo in

jw
friends

well, round my way (south of the uk) all the way up to and including the regional conventions this summer, baptism numbers have been extremely low.

but i have just received news of three recent circuit assembly days where the figures seem to be higher.

(all have been across the last three weekends at a uk assembly hall in october).

darkspilver

Sorry, I was thinking while typing, rather then presenting an 'idea' as complete.

Firstly I think there is always going to be a natural plateau with anything - a 'maximum reach' - religion included. What would be interesting would be when that plateau starts to fall.

(In product marketing, with a saturdated market where you've plateaued on you maximum market reach you look to use the brand name to expand the product range, sometimes into quite seemingly unrelated areas - actually an argument could be made for JW Broadcasting being that expanision - anyway, back to the main point)

While I thought initially that the maturity of the religion in those countries it has been active in the longest will have reached a plateau, you would still expect ongoing growth in those countries it hasn't been active in for as long.

But as my global increase figures, that doesn't really seem to be the case.

Excluding the anomalies of very low publisher numbers and high ratio countries... It seems interesting there's really only three significant countries reporting similiar increases to Britain back in the 1980's, namely

Angola 1:210, 111,123 publishers, 8% increase

Philippines 1:499, 199,551 publishers, 5% increase

Russia 1:832, 172,977 publishers, 5% increase

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Hemosep - blood recycling system

by TheWonderofYou in

hemosep – blood recycling system.

a blood recycling system, the hemosep cell savage, was developped at brightwake ltd. it is praised as costsaving and lifesaving device for jw who undertake major surgery.

one of the company's trading arms advancis surgical markets the device.

darkspilver

Hi Crazyguy

recovered blood because of this scripture? Is this not more hypocrisy?

The principle for JW's is keeping the blood in effective continuous circulation.

Believe it's a conscience matter and I think most JW's accept it, at least nowadays.

Was told once by a publisher that they didn't want to accept cell salvage, I said - so you would not accept dialysis? - they said yes they would, to which I said it's basically the same principle - they changed their mind so would accept cell salvage.

I understood that the basic/standard cell salvage thingy is used as 'standard' practiise nowadays on everybody due to both cost saving and reducing risks in transfusing someone else's blood into you.

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Some recent baptism figures in the UK - is there a "bounce back"?

by freddo in

jw
friends

well, round my way (south of the uk) all the way up to and including the regional conventions this summer, baptism numbers have been extremely low.

but i have just received news of three recent circuit assembly days where the figures seem to be higher.

(all have been across the last three weekends at a uk assembly hall in october).

darkspilver

Hi Finkelstein!

The realization that the WTS has been a commercialized corrupt fraud of a religoius publishing house is spreading around the world, ironically centralized in the very country where it was founded, the US

No, I think as a 'mature' religion, having operated in Britain for a good 100 years, it's reached it's natural plateau.

For those interested, if Britain had continued on a 5% increase for the 30 years since 1985 - the JW's would have 420,000 publishers in Britain alone by now (ie 66% more than they currently claim)

On the other hand, it might not be due to the plateau effect, because....

Globally in the 1985 Yearbook, the WT was reporting average publishers of 2,680,297 with a 7.1% annual increase - if that increase had continued the WT would now be reporting 20,982,974 publishers worldwide rather than the 7,987,279 (which interestingly is pretty close to that 66% figure again hmmm)

(That's compound annual interest of 5% on 97,370 over 30 years - http://www.thecalculatorsite.com/finance/calculators/compoundinterestcalculator.php#form2 ditto for global figures)

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Some recent baptism figures in the UK - is there a "bounce back"?

by freddo in

jw
friends

well, round my way (south of the uk) all the way up to and including the regional conventions this summer, baptism numbers have been extremely low.

but i have just received news of three recent circuit assembly days where the figures seem to be higher.

(all have been across the last three weekends at a uk assembly hall in october).

darkspilver

Quick figures from Britain:

Yearbook -	Increase -	Average Publishers -	Baptized
1983	5%	87,732	5,154
1984	6%	92,616	5,166
1985	5%	97,370	5,280
2016	0%	134,491	2,286

After all if 100 got baptised in one circuit in one year, but 100 publishers left the org, the figure would be 0% increase.

Or died?