Posts by MissFit

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Watchtower Study today Jan 4 2015 , Fallacious Reasoning (issue Nov 15 2014)

by BluesBrother in

the subject of the study was jesus resurrection .

my post is not about the subject and whether or not that can be believed in.

millions of christians do and it is not my place to debunk religious faith.

MissFit

Great post. Thank you for taking the time to write it. It was concise, respectful and easy to understand.

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Still pointing your Finger when having a Rafter in your eye?

by DocHouse in

yes- everyone has faults and makes mistakes; an organization even more so.. yet, you ignore all the fingers pointing at you.. many here have no faith.

many here go to churches who lie about everything biblical; look at x-mas!.

but at least we know god and christ and try to live up to their name!.

MissFit

Welcome DocHouse please enjoy your visit . If keep your mind and eyes open on your journey here you, will find an interesting experience ahead of you.

You do know that if you told the Elders that you think alot of what the f&ds says is baloney and added on you would be labled an apostate?

Many are here for that same reason. They agree with you. But like you they did not have anyone they could discuss it with safely and respectfully .

You say respectful debates are rare here. I disagree. Check some more threads out with an open mind. Stifle your automatic reflex to defend or counter argue. Just "listen" and stop to really think about the argument you were going to use. Does it really make sense or was it preprogrammed responses you are repeating from the publications or meetings?

The reason these people here are giving you their time to "respectfully debate" you is because many of them were you. They were right where you are now.

They also can pretty much predict what your responses will be because that is what they would have said. The difference is now they know why the responses are not accurate and what the logical fallacies were that prompted them.

They also know that you have to discover it on your own. They can point the way and give you the benifet of their research, but ultimately it is up to you.

They know you have made the first step by coming here and by admitting to recognise the baloney.

Enjoy the freedom here to explore and question.

Remember respect goes both ways.

BTW I am here because I want to cut the baloney out of my diet. But as an active JW I did not have that option.

Here I do. I can openly question and discuss things without fear of being shunned.

RE the dont feed the troll comment: I think some people are too quick to jump on the troll wagon. I appreciate the posters here that give posters the benifet of the doubt.

You dont know how many trolls have turned into critical thinking posters( aka apostates.)

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I Waited Until My Wedding Night To Lose My Virginity And I Wish I Hadn't...

by Divergent in

i found this article interesting & just wanted to share.

after going through my teenage years trying to be the perfect jw, i realized that trying to live up to the standards imposed on me have been for worse & not for better.

i was feeling miserable, repressed, unfulfilled, with a great lack of self confidence & self esteem.

MissFit

Quote from the artical:"Unfortunately, I can't go back but I can give you this message as a culmination of my experiences: If you want to wait to have sex until marriage make sure it's because you want to. It's your body; it belongs to you, not your church. Your sexuality is nobody's business but yours."

Ditto. I thought that quote was worth repeating.

I will be sharing this with my daughter. I raised her with the JW mindset.

She is not a JW. I think we owe it to our children to make sure they have a balanced anx healthy view of their sexuality.

She is a young adult now. I have been awake for around a year now. This article will be a good conversation starter.

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What if WT will claim, that Jehovah has pulled a "Jonah and Nineveh" on them?

by prologos in

wt seems to be helpless in really dealing with the failed prophecies, pending dates, overlapping groups--.. what if they declare victory, blame jehovah, in that he allowed the nations to come to their senses and not further escalate the use of weaponry, "destroying [life on] the earth"?

in a second fulfillment of .

the "repentant ninevites, disappointed jonah" bible story?

MissFit

Prolog: I think they will just use the same reasoning they always have.

It is a slight variation of the Repentant Ninivites:

"Jehovaha has is own time table and as long as there are honest-hearted ones, he will delay, ( then they quote that one scripture about God not wanting to destroy but wants everyone to attain repentance).

And if we are being impatient because it hasn't happened yet,we are unloving and being selfish (like Jonah) because who knows how many more will discover Jehovahs loving kindness and be saved from the destruction. "

So they aren't saying it won't happen, just that Jehovah isn't quite ready yet.

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The Noble Fir

by Oubliette in

the noble fir.

the fir tree stands silently in the corner of our living room: proud, erect, strong.

even unadorned, it is beautiful.

MissFit

Thank you for that beautiful post. You just discribed my journey too, but more eloquently than I ever could. You really get it. The taste of freedom is so sweet.

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Memories. .. share the earliest or most favorite childhood memory

by MissFit in

my daughter tells me that experts say children tend to have false memories.

apparently their brain tends to fill things in that may not be totally accurate.. i refuse to believe that my favorite and comforting memory might not be true.

so here is to fond memories real or not.. the earliest memory i have is being put in a crib at a preschool.

MissFit

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Thank you to everyone who took the time to share their memories.

I would love to hear more.

I have fond memories of certain songs. I remember my sisters and I singing to Tony Orlando and Dawn's "Knock Three Times on the Ceiling if your Love Me"

Everytime I heard that song I would flash back to that summer when my sisters and I would be singing that song at the top of our lungs while we were swinging outside. When my sister's friend would play that song we would stop what we were doing and start dancing and knocking on the door with the song.

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Please post new forum feedback or questions here

by Simon in

well, the switchover happened - there were a couple of things i had to fix which meant the posting was disabled for longer than i planned but it's now enabled and some people have already posted.. if you have any questions about the new format or suggestions on how to improve it, please post them here.. if you are having trouble signing in or posting then you'll need to email me instead.. many thanks to everyone for their patience during the changeover !.

MissFit

Simon,

I like the feature you added that lets me know I will lose my post if I exit the page. I used to lose alot of my posts that way. Now I have a chance to keep them.

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Is Watchtower's position on smoking consistent with its position on masturbation?

by Island Man in

watchtower considers masturbation to be a form of uncleanness but not a disfellowshipping offence because the bible says nothing about masturbation.

a jw who masturbates is likely to face no more than losing privileges in the congregation.. like masturbation, smoking is considered by jws to be a form of uncleannes and like masturbation, the bible says nothing about it.

but a jw who smokes faces disfellowshipping.. yes, smoking is known to be deleterious to a person's health whereas the jury is still out on the adverse health effects of masturbation.

MissFit

I think a lot of it has to do with image and publicity. I feel dfing smokers is wrong and too harsh.

But I think the"society" wanted to up the stakes to give people a bigger incentive.

Masturbation is usually in private and less likely to "bring reproach" on the organization.

I think a better comparison is withhow they handle pedophiles.

It seems like they show more mercy to a child molester than to a smoker.

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can an unhappy married woman vent?

by sowhatnow in

i continue to be saddened by the fact that i am married to such a selfish man.. i want to know if i am the only wife who has no say when it comes to using the house she lives in for activities including other people.. .

let me explain.. yesterday my daugher who is 35 got a new puppy for my grandaughter who is 13. today my daughter and son in law are going to help my uncle at a job, and my granddaughter wanted to spend the day here, my daugher said shed bring her and the puppy over, i laughed and said 'your dad wont have that, ill have to go to your house'.. after all it will 'upset' the 2 cats they will hide all day [like they do anytime someone including my grandchild is in my home] .. i already knew that he would not like it if she brought the puppy over, [weve had dogs so its not like he hates them].

he doesnt care if his grandaughter would have enjoyed playing with the puppy over grandmas house, where she likes to be for a change, and that fact that id like to see what my cats would do when they saw a dog for the first time in thier lives.. maybe id have liked to play with the puppy .. when i said to my husband that my daughter said she wanted tp bring them over he said.

MissFit

Hi whatnow, welcome.

I read your OP and just wanted to check on you to see how you are doing.

It is a new year now. Time for a fresh start. I hope things are looking up for you. Hang in there.

MissFit

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Memories. .. share the earliest or most favorite childhood memory

by MissFit in

my daughter tells me that experts say children tend to have false memories.

apparently their brain tends to fill things in that may not be totally accurate.. i refuse to believe that my favorite and comforting memory might not be true.

so here is to fond memories real or not.. the earliest memory i have is being put in a crib at a preschool.

MissFit

Kaik, that sounds like a great place to spend your childhood. I am sorry you cant find the place again.

Maybe it's' better that way:

Sometimes the memories are sweeter than the reality.