Posts by MissFit

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which is a better attitude: I can't respect it, but I understand it or I cant understand it , but I will respect it?

by MissFit in

so is it possible to understand a reason and not respect it?

shouldn't understanding lead to a respect of the reasons and actions?.

or can you respect the reasons and actions without understanding them?.

MissFit

Millie: you are echoing my sentiments. I just didnt know how to put it.

I agree with Millie but Coded logic has a point. Some decisions do not seem worthy of respect. Is that because we are being judgmental and viewing them from our bias?

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which is a better attitude: I can't respect it, but I understand it or I cant understand it , but I will respect it?

by MissFit in

so is it possible to understand a reason and not respect it?

shouldn't understanding lead to a respect of the reasons and actions?.

or can you respect the reasons and actions without understanding them?.

MissFit

Millie: you are echoing my sentiments. I just didnt know how to put it.

I agree with Millie but Coded logic has a point. Some decisions do not seem worthy of respect. Is that because we are being judgmental and viewing them from our bias?

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which is a better attitude: I can't respect it, but I understand it or I cant understand it , but I will respect it?

by MissFit in

so is it possible to understand a reason and not respect it?

shouldn't understanding lead to a respect of the reasons and actions?.

or can you respect the reasons and actions without understanding them?.

MissFit

So does respecting the person or viewpoint mean condoning the action?

Does understanding the viewpoint condone the action?

Is it possible to respect that the person has a right to make their own decisions and not respect the choice they made?

Jhine: so you are saying my mom understands the reasoning but cant respect the action because it goes against her core values?

Coded logic:you said: "when people of good intentions do bad things-like letting their kids die by refusing blood transfusions- I am capable of pitying them but never respecting them."

Is pity a type of understanding? Do you condemn them for their decisions based on what you consider is right and wrong?

Tails: you said: "That is pure judgement thinking...she understands the temptations...but

doesnt respect the giving into the sin. "

Maybe that is what I am trying to understand.

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My Marking Talk

by jws in

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back to august of 1988. my brother and i were the ones being marked.

at the time, my father had clued us in that it was coming and had gotten a recording of it.

are we not also obliged to act on wrongs being committed by a family member or members?

MissFit

The next best thing to stoning?

REALLY???

Do they even listen to themselves?

That transcript was an eye opener.

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which is a better attitude: I can't respect it, but I understand it or I cant understand it , but I will respect it?

by MissFit in

so is it possible to understand a reason and not respect it?

shouldn't understanding lead to a respect of the reasons and actions?.

or can you respect the reasons and actions without understanding them?.

MissFit

So is it possible to understand a reason and not respect it? Shouldn't understanding lead to a respect of the reasons and actions?

Or can you respect the reasons and actions without understanding them?

Am I making any sense?

It just seems to me, if you put yourself in others shoes and try to understand their view point, even If you dont agree with their views or actions, you can still find things to respect about the person you dont agree with.

For instance , My mom was not showing any respect for my niece because she is living with her boyfriend for over 10 years & is still not married. She dismisses out of hand their commitment becausen it isn't "Jehovah's way".

I told her that my niece has been in a committed relationship, has not slept around and should not be judged because they havent made it legal. For all she knows, they might have committed to each other in front of god. Only Jehovah can judge.

So when I told her that she can respect Niece and boyfriend for being committed to eachother,

she said: no I CAN'T respect it but I understand it.????

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one last step..Is being mentally out the same as being emotionally out?

by MissFit in

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we talk here about the importance of being mentally and physically out to be really free.. what about being emotionally free?.

i realized for me, i had to be emotionally awake first.

i had been yo-young back and forth for years.

MissFit

Humbled: I will miss your input. I have enjoyed following your journey and the insights you have shared along the way.

Perhaps leaving emotionally also means becoming an ex-exJW.

Finding a new identity and expanding your horizons.

This site and others like it can become a type of chain holding some to the horrors and anger of the past, feeding on the hate and bitterness that comes from being lied to and abused by people we trusted as JWs.

Some can handle the triggers and reminders of their past and are able to turn it into a positive, using it to help guide others through the journey.

Others are chained to the anger and use it to fan the resentment and keep it alive. They realize in order to recover they need a clean break.

Everyone here is at different stages. I am glad we have a place here that we can lick our wounds and recover.

I hope this place remains a safe haven for diversity.

This site needs different voices and different viewpoints so we can learn from each other.

I hope others will post about their experiences coming out.

What came first mental, physical, or emotional?

Miss Fit

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Nov 2014 KM - a text message counts as a return visit!

by EndofMysteries in

if you don't know, km's are now online too.

under the heading, "i cannot find him at home again!

" it mentions how a text message or email is to be counted as a return visit.

MissFit

Stats are the most important part of a business. This way they can pad the results.

if you can count texts, letter writing, phone calls, you will have less inactive ones and count more publishers.

Its just a numbers game.

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Nov 2014 KM - a text message counts as a return visit!

by EndofMysteries in

if you don't know, km's are now online too.

under the heading, "i cannot find him at home again!

" it mentions how a text message or email is to be counted as a return visit.

MissFit

Krejames: now it is a GB approved practice. I know when I was out "in service" the sisters would call their bible studys to see if they were home and to confirm the time. I guess texting was the next logical step.

I went to a conference for my job. One of the speakers talked about the different ways different generations of employees work and how they were influenced by the technology they grew up with.

They compared the 0nes born around 1945/ the Traditionalists, the Baby Boomers ( 60s generation), Gen.x (80s) and the Millennial ( 2000 ).

I think the Society is trying to keep up with the times and include ways to keep the younger generations of JW engaged in the ministry. They probably have the same research as other businesses.

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Nov 2014 KM - a text message counts as a return visit!

by EndofMysteries in

if you don't know, km's are now online too.

under the heading, "i cannot find him at home again!

" it mentions how a text message or email is to be counted as a return visit.

MissFit

Shirley: Thank you for explaining your reasoning so clearly and eloquently.

I see where you are coming from.

I am sorry about the pain you feel for your family.

I can see how deeply you care about your family. It is so hard to free someone who does not even know they are enslaved.

I have a feeling that maybe your family feels the same way watching you live your life. Most JWs think any one not serving the borg is wasting their life.

The sad part is that we used to think the same way until we learned everything we worked for was a lie.

Some people would rather live a lie.

Your family are so fortunate to have you care so about them. I can understand now how feeling helpless to free your family can cause anger and resentment towards the org.

so vent away...

Miss.Fit

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Nov 2014 KM - a text message counts as a return visit!

by EndofMysteries in

if you don't know, km's are now online too.

under the heading, "i cannot find him at home again!

" it mentions how a text message or email is to be counted as a return visit.

MissFit

Shirley: what difference does it make to us- *the ones who already know it is a futile endeavor*if the methods are ineffective. We are not doing it. We know lives are not at stake.

yes many go out for show, what choice do they have if they want to keep their positions and support what they think is the "truth"

I respect that alot more than faders or ones who know it is futile still go out and "pretend "to knock ect. They are doing it for show also.

I just think those who refuse to participate should not criticize or be derisive of ones actually out there trying.

The org. Methods might be inefficient, but isn't that a good thing?

edit to add: hopefully sincere ones will wake up when they do realize how ineffective these methods are.