Posts by umbertoecho

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Getting the Urge!

by Theburstbubble in

jw
friends

evening folks, so as some of you may know we have recently decided to leave the witnesses and can see it for the man made organisation it is.

so, why do i get the urge to go back and feel guilty for not being there!

it's like my mind is telling me to be logical about it all but then something keeps pulling me back.. don't get me wrong i really want to break free from it all and i'm resisting the urge to go back as i have been miserable in the truth for a long time as i've known it's not right and want to do the best by my daughter.

umbertoecho

I do understand what you are saying. Incredibly, insanely, I feel bad for what I am doing. I was raised as a JW... so from childhood, I thought this was the only truth. I still suffer a most unreasonable guilt, I don't understand it. I am getting help in the strangest ways. One of them is this forum. I can read what I like, comment, make a post.....it's called being able to ask a question or share a thought.

I must sound like I am advertising for this site. I tell you. I joined over two years ago. I was terrified. I couldn't say anything, I was afraid of being attacked in some way. I'd had a nervous breakdown, for I had refused baptism at the last minute, so to speak.

I was really alone. I had a feeling I would die. I know that sounds extreme, but it's what happened to me as I was finding out that I was in the right.

Always feeling I did not do enough, forgive enough, work hard enough..........Oh, I'm ranting and will stop.

Allow some of the humour you will find here to seep in. It was due to some incredibly funny posts that I actually joined. I think at the time, it was some really whacky comment about the .........." loving provision from jehovah re the new ipads and apps, that would allow people to view pornography while at the meetings....". This hit me with such a huge sense of mirth, that I kept reading it, and reading it. I was actually laughing for the first time in a long time........This irreverence was a wicked little secret I carried for some time. It had this amazingly freeing effect for me. Life had been so difficult and here I was with people who knew the WT for what it was. It took the RC for me to reveal one of the reasons I had sought the forum out.

No. I don't want to hurt anyone. But I was hurting all the time.

I do urge you to stay. There are some really good debates, some awful arguments, then things get patched up. If someone is trolling and bringing people down for the sake of it.............they soon find out that they are in the wrong company....Put up with the varying characters here. Some of them are extremely well versed in bible doctrine, some are just hurt and angry.....Stay.

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New Child Abuse Lawsuit

by maksutov in

can't see this having been mentioned already - forgive me if i missed it and it is old news.. velicia alston brings lawsuit against watchtower (irwin zalkin representing):.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=youtu.be&v=8nmgrvlmvxo.

umbertoecho

It's not that old really. Consider how many cases we may not know about. Anyway, the information is important to all of us. I might not have found this had you not posted it.

Interesting the way the society is trying to banish this case to anther jurisdiction. I hope that the change of venue for the hearing that WT were trying to achieve, failed.

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December 15 2015 Watchtower - Blowing a Trumpet for RNWT

by The Searcher in

self-praise is no praise, brooklyn!

however, having skimmed over this latest offering - which was neither researched nor written by the f.d.s., according to geoffrey jackson's sworn testimony in oz - here is my favourite statement: .

p. 26 par.

umbertoecho

Anyone checked out the "new favourite neutral expert?" The WTBTS cites Jason David Be'Duhn, as the expert in all things translation and bible.

They cite him this Dr BeDuhn, as a bible scholar. Go and type in his name, then look at the refutations to his claims and credentials.

He's all WTBTS pro.......they cite him as a reference of a good example of non bias.

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Let’s Speculate!!!

by John Aquila in

you know the organization is slowly going down.

not as fast as we would wish, but nevertheless it is crumbling.

five (5) year old child baptisms, smaller magazines, child sexual abuse exposed, smaller annual growth, no one wants to reach out, young ones leaving.

umbertoecho

2014 for the beginning of Christ's reign; because the watchtower forgot to 'carry the 1'

Ha ha ha ha ha ha.........love this sort of humour. It's as droll as it gets.

You are definitely going to get roasted at the big A......

39

Let’s Speculate!!!

by John Aquila in

you know the organization is slowly going down.

not as fast as we would wish, but nevertheless it is crumbling.

five (5) year old child baptisms, smaller magazines, child sexual abuse exposed, smaller annual growth, no one wants to reach out, young ones leaving.

umbertoecho

The studies I have had with the elder and his wife.....( RC have encouraged me to cease allowing these visits due to the anxiety I have felt for being two faced)..... have cast off the Revelation book as no longer accurate, so many other books are not remotely referred to. So they are completely distancing themselves from as many of their past writings as is possible.

I know I have said this already, but it's been said to me by those who are very much in, that the large assemblies are cancelled here in Australia. At least in the West. When I asked why this was so, I was told that it was due to lack of funds. It is apparently too expensive to rent the venues that have always been a part of the yearly large conventions. (again, all this information was said to me before my official RC part)

This is so interesting as all my life, whether I was attending or not, there have always been very large conventions here. Now, they are being done at the WT owned facility, a place that is really hard to get to. It's incredibly difficult for families with children and older people. Plus, I think that if any new interested ones were left to find their own way there,..it would be completely off putting......unless there is some serious conversion thingy happening.....

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Let’s Speculate!!!

by John Aquila in

you know the organization is slowly going down.

not as fast as we would wish, but nevertheless it is crumbling.

five (5) year old child baptisms, smaller magazines, child sexual abuse exposed, smaller annual growth, no one wants to reach out, young ones leaving.

umbertoecho

Oh, FayeDunaway, I should read your story. Sorry that I have not. I didn't know you have been cut off from your' family. This sort of simple comment makes me ache inside.

Therefore I hope the Watchtower implodes. You should have the freedom to have your' family. I lost mine from a long time ago. Not all of them, but in the main I can say with total honesty that never in my life, have I been invited by my JW madly devoted sister to have one single meal with them. Even when I was close to baptism.

Some are harder than others. Mostly though, they have an entrenched feeling they are breaking the GB law by having non witnesses in their homes.....

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A small update on the ongoing investigation by the Royal Commission

by umbertoecho in

i think you people would like to know that since the public hearing has finished.

there has been ongoing contact made to me by the staff at the rc.

they have been inundated with calls and the same experiences or similar ones are being related.. the staff are not backwards in coming forwards with insights that they have shared.

umbertoecho

I don't know what sort of shepherding is being done. It may be with a cattle prod for all I know. I think the RC just caused a bit of a reaction here in that they may be looking up some of those "women or men" who suffered or have faded. Not sure at all......still, in all it's good to know things are ticking along......

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Whoa ! maybe it's not as good here in Oz as I thought!

by wozza in

jw
friends

found this on my facebook page that someone had posted , just a joke i hope .

.

umbertoecho

That's just some joke, really. The Arms. are the ones hanging off the shoulders

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A small update on the ongoing investigation by the Royal Commission

by umbertoecho in

i think you people would like to know that since the public hearing has finished.

there has been ongoing contact made to me by the staff at the rc.

they have been inundated with calls and the same experiences or similar ones are being related.. the staff are not backwards in coming forwards with insights that they have shared.

umbertoecho

Elders from the congregations are doing shepherding calls. Some who have phoned the RC are saying this is happening. I don't know the figures though.

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badly handled from Elders

by Olivia Wilde in

i am still attending the kh, i actually recently became aware of the ttatt, what i believed came as a huge surprised for me, i wasn't raised as a jw and have been for about 15 years.

i have always been a very open minded individual all my life always seeing both sides of any situation with logic and common sense and so i believe discovering all of the doctrines i have been taught sense 16 years of age, wasn't extremely hard for me to realize in my heart it was a lie.

well it was me discovering the watchtower society being a ngo member of the un nations for 10 years, after that the snowball just got bigger for me.

umbertoecho

wing commander. I see you feel rather strongly about this and other experiences.

I don't think you would do this, but I do get the "gist" of your feelings.........(.a touch of irony)

Therefore I can't slap a red sign against you......I really hope you are just expressing a verbal reaction though....ha!