Posts by umbertoecho

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This too Shall Pass (RC Commission vs WTS)

by undercover in

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while i'm glad that the practices of the wts are under review and the australian commission is taking them to task, i'm not really expecting huge changes in the long run.

oh, they may have to agree to some changes in how they report crimes brought to elders' attention, but this excitement over the supposed expose of wt practices shall pass, and jws will soon be canvassing neighborhoods and rolling their carts, looking for converts.

conventions will go on.

umbertoecho

Dagney

28 minutes ago

The genie cannot be put back into the bottle. By having these proceedings on youtube, it is forever out there to stumble upon.

And there we have it..... The process of the RC is forever on the internet. People will always be curious. There is good video evidence now available in the public domain.

The WTBTS can order the r@f not to look at them, but really..........curiosity is a big part of our makeup and being ordered not to do this or look at by people who claim such exulted status is not going to stop many from having a "peek". Then another.........I know this commission will not force great change. I just want it there, all ready and served up for future generations to access. WT does not control the internet, only it's own site. Of that I am very glad.

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A question the Chair (Mclellan) may want to ask G. Jackson

by Indian Larry in

mr. jackson, we have heard testimony from mr spinks and mr. obrien that women will never have leadership positions in the congregation.

as i understand it mr. jackson, you interpret revelation 7 to mean that only 144,000 will go to heaven and that these 144,000 will rule the earth.

i also understand that your organization teaches that women are part of this "remnant" of 144,000. can you explain why jesus christ is willing to put women in leadership over the entire earth but you are not willing to permit them to have anything to do with helping victims of pedophiles in your congregation?

umbertoecho

The thing is. This Commission isn't really about actual beliefs.........that is, unless those beliefs hurt children and suppress the women.

Questions like that are quite the focus of this commission. I wish they had a stronger look at the financials too.

As of now, so many people are saying he just won't turn up on this and other forums. I wonder, why do so many feel this way?

Imagine how the abused ones feel at the thought of not getting the disclosure of all the societies rotten actions brought out into the light of day?

Perhaps I am naive in hoping this testimony/question time will happen and that some revelations are made apparent to all who are able to take actions.

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A question the Chair (Mclellan) may want to ask G. Jackson

by Indian Larry in

mr. jackson, we have heard testimony from mr spinks and mr. obrien that women will never have leadership positions in the congregation.

as i understand it mr. jackson, you interpret revelation 7 to mean that only 144,000 will go to heaven and that these 144,000 will rule the earth.

i also understand that your organization teaches that women are part of this "remnant" of 144,000. can you explain why jesus christ is willing to put women in leadership over the entire earth but you are not willing to permit them to have anything to do with helping victims of pedophiles in your congregation?

umbertoecho

I'll email it for you. If anyone has a good question, one that is virtually impossible to avoid answering due to their own literature. PM the questions and I'll copy and send. No problems with that. The questions and information that have been sent in by people have not been ignored. The commission took some good information leads and came to understand the GBs power, the Theo ...Warfare.....

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GEOFFREY JACKSON TO APPEAR BEFORE ROYAL COMMISSION ON FRIDAY 14TH August!!!

by defender of truth in

the royal commissions public hearing into the jehovahs witnesses will recommence in sydney on friday 14 august 2015 at 11:00am.. it is anticipated that the hearing will hear from one witness, mr geoffrey jackson, a member of the governing body of jehovahs witnesses.. .

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www.childabuseroyalcommission.gov.au/media-centre/media-releases/2015-08/public-hearing-into-the-jehovah%e2%80%99s-witnesses-to-rec.

umbertoecho

On the Royal Commission site the date, time and who is coming to testify is all there.

There is no "anticipation word". If he doesn't front. the shit will hit the fan.....

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GEOFFREY JACKSON TO APPEAR BEFORE ROYAL COMMISSION ON FRIDAY 14TH August!!!

by defender of truth in

the royal commissions public hearing into the jehovahs witnesses will recommence in sydney on friday 14 august 2015 at 11:00am.. it is anticipated that the hearing will hear from one witness, mr geoffrey jackson, a member of the governing body of jehovahs witnesses.. .

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www.childabuseroyalcommission.gov.au/media-centre/media-releases/2015-08/public-hearing-into-the-jehovah%e2%80%99s-witnesses-to-rec.

umbertoecho

You know what? I'm going to remain as neutral in my thinking as possible, because I have found that so much was revealed in this RC. His Honour and Stewart were so savvy, and caught the glib mouthed elders, lawyers et ale... in lies and deceptions time and again.

I underestimated the strength of Stewart for a few minutes there...........then I realized this was a huge team of over 300 staff involved in the RC into WTower practices and it was all flooding out. I have to have some faith about the capacity of this RC to override the diversions and half truths.

What I am saying is..............I am going to pump all my good thoughts toward this RC and those who will question. If Jackson doesn't turn up, he will be in deep deep legal trouble. We have extradition agreements between America and Australia.

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GEOFFREY JACKSON TO APPEAR BEFORE ROYAL COMMISSION ON FRIDAY 14TH August!!!

by defender of truth in

the royal commissions public hearing into the jehovahs witnesses will recommence in sydney on friday 14 august 2015 at 11:00am.. it is anticipated that the hearing will hear from one witness, mr geoffrey jackson, a member of the governing body of jehovahs witnesses.. .

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www.childabuseroyalcommission.gov.au/media-centre/media-releases/2015-08/public-hearing-into-the-jehovah%e2%80%99s-witnesses-to-rec.

umbertoecho

Oh........huge sigh! Less tightness in chest.............a bit less stress.............

Thank god!!! I was so worried that WT sliminess would prevail and he would get away.

I think this is one of the best outcomes I could ever have imagined. I know it will mean so much for so many. I don't expect a miracle but I hope they grill him and grill relentlessly until he is forced into telling the bloody truth. Or.......he lies and lies and they let him lie, then they give him some nice documents that fly right in the face of his/their, deceptions.

That funny little prayer I found on that small site was right after all.

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Reddit Master directory of Royal Commission Highlights.

by Lemonp in

there is a reddit thread that has been put up that has direct youtube links to highlights of the royal commission.. .

reddit link click here.

hope it is helpful.

umbertoecho

Will do Lemon party. org. I too, wish to see this topic addressed until something concrete comes out of it....I don't mean the sort of concrete used by gangsters either....

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Dissent on JW-Archive

by bemused in

in the posts about the australian royal commission there have been several references to discussions on jw-archive.

i'd not heard of that site, so checked it out.

it seems to be used by many active jws - its tumblr style archive is full of pictures of jws doing their thing.

umbertoecho

I love these comments. All of you are as mad as hatters and smart at the same time.

Just spoke with my D associated sis, she is still very defensive of this religion. The discussion was just plain tense, so tense and I know it's because she might still believe that this is the truth and this is a worldly Satanic attack on the society.

Never had such a tense discussion like that before in a long time. Her daughter is a full in JW along with her husband.

So, you never know how anyone is going to respond to unflattering revelations about WTland.

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Child Abuse- A universal problem -for example, in Pakistan

by fulltimestudent in

while the australian royal commission may be the focus of our attention at the moment, we should not forget that this is a much wider problem.

previous official investigations in australia (inquiring into church run homes for kids)have revealed horrible examples of abuse, as have similar investigations in canada and ireland.. and international news today reports on this mass incident in pakistan.

and if some may want to see this as a muslim problem, then please do a search and find that similar things happen in india.. the hongkong based asia times reports:.

umbertoecho

Wow fulltimestudent. That would be something to read. And yes, there is this global problem of abuse of many kinds toward children.

I have always known this. The RC in this instance is useful to many who truly believed in the doctrines they were taught and the wonderful spin of the WTBTS.

In this specific RC it was to have a damned good look at a religion that claims charity status. I found a letter sent to WT Australian on the RC site, and it clearly states how to turn certain funds into............only a donation. This was in order to get around some potential problems facing WT over here. Went a bit off track there. The main thing is that we all know of this problem, it's just a bit hard to take from any religion claiming to have the knowledge and means to assist others to spiritual wellness, or everlasting life.

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Royal Commission... Monty Baker?

by Marvin Shilmer in

i see a former elder by the name of monty baker on the royal commission's witness list.

transcripts show a lawyer representing monty baker during the hearings, but so far i see no transcript where monty baker has testified before the commission.

am i missing something?

umbertoecho

You will notice then as you listen in, that his testimony wasn't much to sing about.

To me he sounded as though he was WT mentally in, or there was some need to not reveal a whole lot of useful information. I would like to know what others thought of is this none event.

Maybe I am missing something too