Posts by umbertoecho

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You? Armchair Activist Wanted - Looking to form a Team of Letter Writers/Researchers

by mrmagic in

are you interested?

looking for a team of armchair activists;.

purpose: to connect everybody to everybody and to get them to connect the big picture about wtbs which is that it is suspected that watchtower has a child pedophile/child porn ring within it.

umbertoecho

mrmagic, don't get me wrong by the way. If there is some evidence, I would jump on it. This sort of thing is very very hard to prove and takes expert tracking, legal proofs, computers, and on it goes...There have been some truly gifted police who have worked with other authorities globally from Australia to American and Sweden to name a few of the channels they had to plough through. It sometimes took from months to years to gather all the evidence, before there was a well co-ordinated, evenly planned ....can't think of the bloody word.....Sting?

Then the detectives and various other squads would make sure they acted in tandem so that no computer information could be wiped and multiple arrests were made.

We've had some really good interactive "attacks" between Australia the UK, Norway, Sweden, Germany.....even American and the Philippines happen. Very impressive coordination from all fronts...

So please don't get me wrong. I'm just wary about calling the WTBTS a paedophile ring. I just think they are terribly guilty of being cruel and sacrificing children and young ones to keep a "clean organization"..

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You? Armchair Activist Wanted - Looking to form a Team of Letter Writers/Researchers

by mrmagic in

are you interested?

looking for a team of armchair activists;.

purpose: to connect everybody to everybody and to get them to connect the big picture about wtbs which is that it is suspected that watchtower has a child pedophile/child porn ring within it.

umbertoecho

Important to give some real evidence of this. It's a bit different from having badly handled sex abuse cases.....but a paedophile ring?

Any hard evidence. Paedophile rings are something else again, we have all seen the horrific cases from time to time, that literally span the globe and make money from this crime......

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SETTING THE RECORD STRAIGHT re: Riley Trust Tobacco Compan Stock & WTS

by Oroborus21 in

i have no interest in pontificating on this matter which to me seems so straightforward.

however, since i continue to see newbies and others periodically post in error stating that the wts "owns" tobacco company stock i believe that this should be corrected and the matter put to rest, hopefully for good.. .

facts:.

umbertoecho

Phizzy..

..TrueEden is not debating a future pension. It about hypocrisy on the part of a religion that claims, presumptuously to be the FDS and god's mouth piece on earth...

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SETTING THE RECORD STRAIGHT re: Riley Trust Tobacco Compan Stock & WTS

by Oroborus21 in

i have no interest in pontificating on this matter which to me seems so straightforward.

however, since i continue to see newbies and others periodically post in error stating that the wts "owns" tobacco company stock i believe that this should be corrected and the matter put to rest, hopefully for good.. .

facts:.

umbertoecho

Oh! Go Terry go.....yes!

I hate corruption and lies, especially when under some religious banner...

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SETTING THE RECORD STRAIGHT re: Riley Trust Tobacco Compan Stock & WTS

by Oroborus21 in

i have no interest in pontificating on this matter which to me seems so straightforward.

however, since i continue to see newbies and others periodically post in error stating that the wts "owns" tobacco company stock i believe that this should be corrected and the matter put to rest, hopefully for good.. .

facts:.

umbertoecho

Oroborus21 Do you know what Oroborus really is, means, represents?

You don't just refuse it. It does not work that way. It is the WTBTS that is the beneficiary, not the actual Trust. It was bequeathed to them...They could pick the bloody phone up, call the managers of the trust...said.." Well, this one goes against our Christian conscience, sell the PMorris shares off and reinvest in something that our collective conscience can live with" Puuuuleees, get real.

Can't believe this post of yours.

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SETTING THE RECORD STRAIGHT re: Riley Trust Tobacco Compan Stock & WTS

by Oroborus21 in

i have no interest in pontificating on this matter which to me seems so straightforward.

however, since i continue to see newbies and others periodically post in error stating that the wts "owns" tobacco company stock i believe that this should be corrected and the matter put to rest, hopefully for good.. .

facts:.

umbertoecho

6) Until June 24, 2002, the Trust held 350 Shares of Phillip Morris Companies (maker of Nabisco crackers and yes, cigarettes too). The value of these stocks as of April 30, 2002 were $54.43 each or a total asset worth of $19,050.00. [These shares were listed in the Asset Description section of the 990 Filings under "Consumer Staples"]

Who authorized sale of these stocks??? And interesting that just about anyone on the net could find and download copies of the HR trust fund and see..CLEARLY; that if someone on the internet could access this information......Then most definitely the WTBTS did too.! So stop it!! Just stop talking in a convoluted manner.

The fact is if I set up a trust fund here and they consist of shares in pharmaceuticals that my beneficiaries may not agree with..They are certain to inquire as to what this trust fund consists of..You really are stretching it mate.

7) On June 24, 2002, these 350 shares in Phillip Morris Co. were sold at a market rate of $49.53 each ($17,335.50).

How bloody fascinating that they did sell them. The fact is, there has to be accountability for what ever the managers of that trust fund do. And logically, that accountability has to be explained and approved. You are so bloody stupid. I have every single document you jerk. So just stop lying....Re read you theory again. For it is not accurate. You have not looked into the intricasies of such matters. You then go on to "patronize" us, by saying ...."Oh by the way,.......

The trust assets as of April 30, 2005 consisted of approximately 48% Oil & Gas Royalties (from owned or leased Oil/Gas wells I assume) and the remainder of the assets in Corporate Stocks (22%), Corporate Bonds (14%) & Mutual Funds (16%).

Such an illogical explanation that shot you in your own foot. Read up on trust funds again, for you are not very well versed on the topic. WTBTS KNEW. And they took their sweet time in "selling off". Bet they don't mind all the other shoddy funds they are well invested in.

Don't you dare talk down to me to them, to us...jerk!!!

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New light from GB member David Splane!

by Island Man in

in the latest jw broadcast splane is quoted as saying:.

"suppose there was a man who died 10 minutes before joseph was born.

would he be part of joseph's generation?

umbertoecho

- babies start living only after they're born. Before they're born, they're not yet alive! lol.

What insanity is this?!!! What a sick bastard, and what and idiotic sick bastard......Oh gawd I hardly believe this irrational crap...I must watch and have a good old analysis of every single word he says...Words are so revealing...

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The Heartless JW

by babygirl30 in

jw
friends

soooo...i have recently been diagnosed with an autoimmune disease, and am scared out of my mind.

in a weak moment, i called my parents and my mom answered.

i start crying as i tell her about my disease, and this woman says to me:.

umbertoecho

Oh, how loving and Christian of her. How can she expect any redemption in her future?. I understand and invite any need you may have to talk. So very, very sorry my love.

Juliette

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Suicide Prevention Counseling

by MrCellophane in

in the 1980's when i was an elder, i don't remember the society providing any guidance to elders on suicide prevention counseling.

i realize much has changed since then.

can any current/recent elders update me on what the current position of the local elders would be if approached by someone in the congregation contemplating suicide and seeking help?.

umbertoecho

I can. An elders daughter is supposed to be bi polar...Lucky her, she has two ways of being....Not to digress..........In the late 1990s suddenly, embracingly, the society in Australia started to change their views on psychiatry. There was so much going against the society for it's prior stand againts such help, that here in this country, there had to be a change. Suddenly, from the Head Quarters and endorsed by the GB there were
" sudden changes" in attitudes toward those who would need psychiatric help. It took a few suicides to achieve this.....I know for a clear fact though, that as recent as last year, the unofficial response is still a secret "negative'. Interestingly, I found out that a lot of women worked in the counselling industry..This was highly disturbing to me. These people could scroll through records and whatever.....

The official public view is that young ones and old ones are being put under pressure by Satan's system. Therefore you can medicate up to the eyeballs if you want...but, the atmosphere surrounding those who do such things is somewhat suspicious...This is from personal experiences with a 28 year old who only wanted to have her babies and fulfill a great need in her....

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US Royal Commission or Something Like it

by mrmagic in

what would be the equivalent of a us version of the royal commission?

i'm not just asking about one specific governmental entity, but perhaps even a conglomerate of entities or series of events that would need to take place to cause a domino effect....a tipping point.

who do you think needs to be contacted that can turn around and contact a lot of others?looking for thoughts and ideas.

umbertoecho

defender of truth. Essentially it was the outrage of many who had suffered in religious organizations that caused such a public awareness. It takes a few with enough courage to state the facts

Julia Gillard accepted this need and announced her decision to have an inquest or Royal Commission. She may not have initiated the inquest in it's formative state, but she certainly stamped it "approved" at the end of the day. Certainly she was not that popular in many liberal circles, but she is labour in belief. I liked her most of the time, although at times she needed diction lessons in order not to switch people off to the actual message.

She was the one who gave it the go ahead.