I am thinking of taking on a jw with the 607 question. My problem is that I dont really understand the whole thing. Has there been a post in the past that tells how to argue it? Could anyone tell me how the jw will explain it and the key reasons it is wrong? Thanks!
How do they explain 607?
by gringojj 47 Replies latest watchtower beliefs
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stillajwexelder
Well there have been loads of threads on this subject but let me try and summarize in one sentence. It was a msitake picked up from the adventists and it came down to 1914 whichj was a convenient date - then they cvounted 2520 years backward to give the mythical 607 BCE as the start of the Gentile Times.
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gringojj
where does 2520 come from?
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stillajwexelder
7 times in Daniel and time, times and half a time in Revelation is shown to be 1260 days and thus 7 times is 2520 days. This is backed up by 7 times being 7 years and that the year is Lunar so 1 lunar year is made up of 12 months of 30 days each so 12 x 30 is 360 and 7 times 360 is also 2520. Then apply the bible principle of a day for a year and you get 2520 years - simple really
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gringojj
how is that simple?
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gringojj
who came up with this anyways? and plus a year is 365 days. surely god would have known that. and where in the bible does it say a day is a year? i thought a day was a thousand years?
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stillajwexelder
who came up with this anyways? Nelson Barbour and other Adventists which Russell copied and plus a year is 365 days. surely god would have known that. True but do not forget Man invented time - and took a year (solar) as the orbit time around the sun - this is abritary - why are there 60 seconds in a minute and 60 minutes in 1 hour - the Babylonians loved the number 60 and where in the bible does it say a day is a year? i thought a day was a thousand years? It says both - I will loook up the scriptures for you
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greendawn
That looks like a charlatan juggling numbers around and setting dates in an arbitrary way. There was a lot of this non sense going on in 19th century America. It sounds like a medium playing around with tarrot cards. Russell was in fact into occultism.
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7 times in Daniel and time, times and half a time in Revelation is shown to be 1260 days and thus 7 times is 2520 days. This is backed up by 7 times being 7 years and that the year is Lunar so 1 lunar year is made up of 12 months of 30 days each so 12 x 30 is 360 and 7 times 360 is also 2520. Then apply the bible principle of a day for a year and you get 2520 years - simple really
And what do they base this math on, or did they just make it up as they went along.
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stillajwexelder
*** it-1 pp. 593-594 Day ***
In prophecy a day is at times used to stand for one year. This can be noted at Ezekiel 4:6: "You must lie upon your right side in the second case, and you must carry the error of the house of Judah forty days. A day for a year, a day for a year, is what I have given you."—See also Nu 14:34.
Certain specific numbers of days given in connection with prophecies are: three and a half days (Re 11:9); 10 days (Re 2:10); 40 days (Eze 4:6); 390 days (Eze 4:5); 1,260 days (Re 11:3; 12:6); 1,290 days (Da 12:11); 1,335 days (Da 12:12); and 2,300 days (Da 8:14).
The term "day(s)" is also used with reference to a time period contemporaneous with a particular person, as for example, "the days of Noah" and "the days of Lot."—Lu 17:26-30; Isa 1:1.
Other cases where the word "day" is used in a flexible or figurative sense are: "the day of God’s creating Adam" (Ge 5:1), "the day of Jehovah" (Zep 1:7), the "day of fury" (Zep 1:15), "the day of salvation" (2Co 6:2), "the day of judgment" (2Pe 3:7), "the great day of God the Almighty" (Re 16:14), and others.
This flexible use of the word "day" to express units of time of varying length is clearly evident in the Genesis account of creation. Therein is set forth a week of six creative days followed by a seventh day of rest. The week assigned for observance by the Jews under the Law covenant given them by God was a miniature copy of that creative week. (Ex 20:8-11) In the Scriptural record the account of each of the six creative days concludes with the statement: "And there came to be evening and there came to be morning" a first, second, third, fourth, fifth, and sixth day. (Ge 1:5, 8, 13, 19, 23, 31) The seventh day, however, does not have this ending, indicating that this period, during which God has been resting from his creative works toward the earth, continued on. At Hebrews 4:1-10 the apostle Paul indicated that God’s rest day was still continuing in his generation, and that was more than 4,000 years after that seventh-day rest period began. This makes it evident that each creative day, or work period, was at least thousands of years in length. As A Religious Encyclopaedia (Vol. I, p. 613) observes: "The days of creation were creative days, stages in the process