I was wrong, CT Russell was something of a prophet after all...

by jaffacake 24 Replies latest jw friends

  • Mary
    Mary
    Heathen said: Yah Russell was also a drunk from what I've heard . They were so embarassed by him they retired him to california to live in beth sarim where they had built a mansion to welcome the old prophets back after the resurrection . LOL

    You're thinking of Rutherford, not Russell. Rutherford was a drunk and thought that Prohibition was from the devil.....it was Rutherford that came up with the brainstorming idea to build a mansion (Beth Sarim) to "welcome back" Abraham, Isaac and Jacob in 1925. He was an idiot.............

  • potleg
    potleg

    And the idiot show must go on, from Russell to today. It might be amusing if it hadn't destroyed so many lives and caused so much unhappiness. Think about it, what really has been acomplished for the good?

  • jaffacake
    jaffacake
    Yah Russell was also a drunk from what I've heard . They were so embarassed by him they retired him to california to live in beth sarim where they had built a mansion to welcome the old prophets back after the resurrection . LOL

    Actually, that was Rutherford. Russell was teetotal and vegetarian. He did however have a beard.

    I'll scan some interesting pages when I get time.

  • Nathan Natas
    Nathan Natas


    Anyone who is curious about C.T. Russell's teaching should know that The Bible Students still exist today and that they do a great job of keeping Russell's works in print. And check out these prices! FOUR bucks for a hardbound book!

    http://www.bibletoday.com/booklets/litlist.htm

    These are not "replica reprints" but are newly typeset, I'm sure. Not that there's anything wrong with that.

  • jaffacake
    jaffacake

    Thanks Nathan, Here is more of the same chapter from that site:

    Lessons only appear to be unsectarian: they only appear to grant liberty in Bible study. Really, each denomination prepares its own comments on the scriptures contained in the lessons. And the committee which selects these lessons, aiming for the outward appearance of harmony and union, selects such passages of scripture as there is little difference of opinion upon. The passages and doctrines upon which they disagree, the very ones which need most to be discussed, in order that the truths and errors of each sect may be manifested, that a real union might be arrived at upon the basis of "one Lord, one faith and one baptism"--these are ignored in the lessons, but still firmly held as before by each sect.

    …. methods is to make Protestantism more imposing in appearance, and to say to the people in fact, if not in words: You must join one of these sects , or you are not a child of God at all. Really, it is not a union as one church, but a combination of separate and distinct organizations, each as anxious as ever to retain its own organization as a sect or bundle…It is like the piling of sheaves together in a shock. Each sheaf retains its own bondage or organization, and becomes bound yet more …tightly …

    …modern methods of "running" Sunday Schools, greatly aids sectarianism, and hinders real growth in the knowledge of the truth, in yet another way. So general a lesson is presented in connection with the "exercises" of the school, that there is scarcely time to consider the guarded, printed questions, with prepared answers; and no time is left for the truth-hungry Bible student, or the occasional earnest teacher, to bring out other questions of greater importance, containing food for thought and profitable discussion. Formerly, Bible classes met to study such portions of the Bible as they chose, and were hindered from obtaining truth by the bondage of their own prejudice and superstition only, ...

    His time for Bible study is skillfully directed, so that he may get no new ideas …

    While Sunday School methods have recently been considerably improved, … Some good is accomplished, we admit, but it has its offsets. The earnest are hindered from personal duty and progress…The immature find the brief session and "exercises" more agreeable than Bible study. They are let to feel that they have performed a duty; and the sacrifice of the few moments is repaid by the social gossip and interchange which it affords .

    The true teacher's place, and the true Bible student's place, is outside of all human bondage, free to examine and feed upon all portions of the good Word of God, and untrammeled to follow the Lamb whithersoever he leads. `John 8:36`; `Gal. 5:1`

    While individual liberty must outwardly be recognized as never before, we see that really there never was a time when the bands were so thoroughly drawn, to bind all wheat and tares into the many bundles. There never was a time when arrangements were so close, and so restraining of all personal liberties, as now. Every spare hour of a zealous sectarian is filled by some of the many meetings or projects, so that no time for untrammeled thought and Bible study can be had. The principal design of these meetings, entertainments, etc., is sectarian growth and strength; and the effect is the bondage mentioned, so detrimental to the real development of the consecrated children of God, the wheat.

    Lessons only appear to be unsectarian: they only appear to grant liberty in Bible study. Really, each denomination prepares its own comments on the scriptures contained in the lessons. And the committee which selects these lessons, aiming for the outward appearance of harmony and union, selects such passages of scripture as there is little difference of opinion upon. The passages and doctrines upon which they disagree, the very ones which need most to be discussed, in order that the truths and errors of each sect may be manifested, that a real union might be arrived at upon the basis of "one Lord, one faith and one baptism"--these are ignored in the lessons, but still firmly held as before by each sect.

    …. methods is to make Protestantism more imposing in appearance, and to say to the people in fact, if not in words: You must join one of these sects , or you are not a child of God at all. Really, it is not a union as one church, but a combination of separate and distinct organizations, each as anxious as ever to retain its own organization as a sect or bundle…It is like the piling of sheaves together in a shock. Each sheaf retains its own bondage or organization, and becomes bound yet more …tightly …

    …modern methods of "running" Sunday Schools, greatly aids sectarianism, and hinders real growth in the knowledge of the truth, in yet another way. So general a lesson is presented in connection with the "exercises" of the school, that there is scarcely time to consider the guarded, printed questions, with prepared answers; and no time is left for the truth-hungry Bible student, or the occasional earnest teacher, to bring out other questions of greater importance, containing food for thought and profitable discussion. Formerly, Bible classes met to study such portions of the Bible as they chose, and were hindered from obtaining truth by the bondage of their own prejudice and superstition only, ...

    His time for Bible study is skillfully directed, so that he may get no new ideas …

    While Sunday School methods have recently been considerably improved, … Some good is accomplished, we admit, but it has its offsets. The earnest are hindered from personal duty and progress…The immature find the brief session and "exercises" more agreeable than Bible study. They are let to feel that they have performed a duty; and the sacrifice of the few moments is repaid by the social gossip and interchange which it affords .

    The true teacher's place, and the true Bible student's place, is outside of all human bondage, free to examine and feed upon all portions of the good Word of God, and untrammeled to follow the Lamb whithersoever he leads. `John 8:36`; `Gal. 5:1`

    While individual liberty must outwardly be recognized as never before, we see that really there never was a time when the bands were so thoroughly drawn, to bind all wheat and tares into the many bundles. There never was a time when arrangements were so close, and so restraining of all personal liberties, as now. Every spare hour of a zealous sectarian is filled by some of the many meetings or projects, so that no time for untrammeled thought and Bible study can be had. The principal design of these meetings, entertainments, etc., is sectarian growth and strength; and the effect is the bondage mentioned, so detrimental to the real development of the consecrated children of God, the wheat.

  • jaffacake
    jaffacake


    Here's more, from The Harp of God (proof conclusive that millions now living will never die) by Joseph Rutherford, 1921 (5 years after Russell's death)

    page 237 Jesus said that an office had been provided for such a special messenger....at the time of his second appearing he would appoint some one to that office....responsibility of dispensing meat to the household of faith in due season.....We mark a wonderful fulfillment of this statement of the Lord as further corrobative proof of the Lord's second presence from 1874 forward. [quotes Matthew 24:45-47]

    About 1870 Cgarles Taze Russell...a truly consecrated Christian....[page 288] he published in six volumes THE STUDIES IN THE SCRIPTURES...circulation exceeded 11,000,000 copies....[page 239] Without a doubt Pastor Russell filled the office for which the Lord provided and about which he spoke, and was therefore that wise and faithful servant, ministering to the household of faith meat in due season.

    page 240 This [harvest] work, which has covered a period of about 45 years, has never had for its purpose the forming of any arrangement by which Christians join anything. Its purpose and work has been and is to enlighten men and women concerning the great divine plan, and by this means of proclaiming the message of truth has gathered together Catholics and Protestants, Christians of all denominations in all parts of the earth......Hence we find gathering together many earnest Christian people...who know no nationality, whose citizenship is in heaven...

    page 248 In the year 1919 many of the Bible students...went forth to proclaim the message of the presence of the Lord; and particularly the message "The world has ended - millions now living will never die"

    page 250 Suppose we admit, for the sake of argument, that no man knows the day or the hour of the Lord's appearing. What difference does that make? The hour and the day have already passed. He is here!

  • lawrence
    lawrence

    For all current JW's-

    We didn't see how mad Russell was. How drunk Rutherford was. How great a businessman Knorr was, nor how Fred Franz was a total lunatic, and mind you; we all believed such bunk! Russell, was no prophet at all - yet he was a huckster; but, he was not a thug like Rutherford. Piss on the JW past - these men were apostates to Jesus and the TRUE GOD! G.B. - may you partake of the plagues - FIRST!

  • Wasanelder Once
    Wasanelder Once

    Why so harsh Lawrence? They're only having fun.

  • heathen
    heathen

    Sorry my mistake . A little over zealous you might say .LOL OK so it was russell that was the swinger ?

  • greendawn
    greendawn

    So according to Russell the GB of the JWs are sons of the devil because they are choking the wheat of the parable with their really excessive restrictions, they are the weeds sown in by the enemy! For all the silly things he said and did he did get this one right on his successors.

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