How do you explain to people who have never been in how screwed up you are?

by kwintestal 15 Replies latest members private

  • Lady Lee
    Lady Lee

    Some people may balk at the comparison but this comparison might help (speaking as one who has experience both of the following)

    Living in an oppressive religion is like a mental and spiritual rape. In a real rape the aim is to control, exert pressure on another person to physically get them to do what you want. In this case the attack is on the mind and the soul of the person. And it isn't a one time occurance. For some it went on for years: for others their whole lives.

    Everything we were taught by people we trusted turned out to not be the truth. Every person we were taught to trust turned out to be untrustworthy.

    Leaving the cult is like moving to another country and discovering you know nothing about the culture, language or people. And because communication is difficult, you don't know who to trust. The fears that people will try to attack remain for a long time.

    It can be a long slow process. But eventually we can learn the culture and the language. We can try to trust - selectively. And slowly.

  • JW83
    JW83

    I know what you're going through, too. I feel that a large part of myself, where the trust used to be, has gone forever. When you have parents & good friends treating you like you are dead, you learn not to trust. I still have to work all the time on trying to really trust my (non-dub) husband with my heart.

    My advice would be, though, to just jump in. Trust. People are usually quite nice ... (as long as they are not dubs!) However, a loss of trust strengthens you inside - & you will always hang on to that. So trust, even though you have reservations. Does that make sense?! (It's late ...)

  • trevor
    trevor

    A lifetime of conditioning was only overcome by an intensive study of the Societys entire history and a soul-searching reflection on the meaningfulness of continuing as a Jehovahs Witness, in the light of the knowledge I came to possess.

    Those who know little of the powerful influence exerted over its members by the Society will find it difficult to appreciate how painful it was to leave behind an entire way of life, then live among the very people I had been trained to view as Bad Association and instructed to avoid on any social level. Perhaps harder still to go against my entire family and be viewed by them as evil.

    Now I feel more comfortable with normal people than I would with JWs but I am a very private person who likes to be left alone. I resist the attempts of others to control me, with a passion so I am also highly critical of all authority.

    I guess how ever hard we try, all those years in the prison of the Tower leave their mark. Whether the experience improves us or damages us is for others to decide.

    This all goes to prove that - You can pick your friends -You can pick your nose - But you cannot pick your friends nose!

    As you can see the probability leans towards - damage.

    Be Seeing You

    The Prisoner

  • Jankyn
    Jankyn

    My partner and I have been together for 14 years, and she's still figuring out how much being raised a JW has affected me. In spite of the stories I've told, sometimes it just takes time.

    She did lurk on this board and read a few of the personal stories--at which point, she got that we weren't talking about just any fundy church, but a high-control group bordering on a cult. She encourages me to come to this board when I need to, because she does understand the power of sharing with others who've "been there."

    But most people just don't get it. I'm okay with that; as long as I have some folks who understand where I'm coming from, it's not necessary for the whole world to get it. Besides, I wouldn't wish this experience on anyone.

    Jankyn

  • by grace
    by grace

    kwin,

    I share the following info with some of my family, and it helped them to realize what we've been through:

    From the book, Subtle Power of Spiritual Abuse:

    Misplaced Loyalty: Because authority is assumed or legislated (and therefore not real), following must be legislated as well. A common way this is accomplished is by setting up a system where disloyalty to or disagreement with the leadership is construed as the same thing as disobeying God. Questioning leaders is equal to questioning God. After all, the leader is the authority, and authority is always right. This causes people to misplace their loyalty in a leader, a church, or an organization. Once again, this makes the wall around the system thicker and makes it more difficult to leave.

    We Alone Are Right: There are three factors that come into play here, adding up to misplaced loyalty. First, leadership projects a "we alone are right!" mentality, which permeates the system. Members must remain in the system if they want to be "safe," or to stay "on good terms" with God, or not to be viewed as wrong or "backslidden."

    Scare Tactics: Not long ago a Christian man made it clear to us that he had separated himself from the world by not fellowshipping with "the infidels." As we talked, we learned that his definition of "infidel" was not limited to non-Christians. It also included Christians from other denominations, certain Christians from his own denomination, and even Christians from his own church who didn't think as he did. In fact, we were dismayed to learn that we were also considered "infidels" because we failed to agree with him. We have counseled many Christians who, after deciding to leave their church, were told horrifying things. "God is going to withdraw His Spirit from you and your family." "God will destroy your business." "Without our protection, Satan will get your children." "You and your family will come under a curse." This is spiritual blackmail and it's abuse. And it does cause people to stay in abusive places.

    Humiliation: The third method of calling forth misplaced loyalty is the threat of humiliation. This is done by publicly shaming, exposing, or threatening to remove people from the group. In the abusive system, it is the fear of being exposed, humiliated, or removed that insures your proper allegiance, and insulates those in authority. You can be "exposed" for asking too many questions, for disobeying the unspoken rules, or for disagreeing with authority. People are made public examples in order to send a message to those who remain. Others have phone campaigns launched against them, to warn their friends and others in the group about how "dangerous" they are. One of several things usually happens after such pressures are employed. First, people stay and shut up. Second, they are eventually driven away because they end up isolated and spiritually starved to death. Third, they finally get up and say, "Fine, I am leaving because this is abusive and I disagree."

    Conclusion: When these characteristics exist in a church or Christian family system, the result will be spiritual abuse. It will be a closed system, with rigid boundaries that prevent people from leaving. There will be the perception of a lot of evil on the outside, to keep people in, and there will be a lot of power postured on the inside to compel you to perform. There will also be tired, wounded people who feel that they are either unspiritual or crazy. And they will have major problems relating to God from the heart.

  • Sunnygal41
    Sunnygal41

    Kwin, unless they've been thru it themselves, or a similar situation, they can't fully understand it. They don't mean to not be supportive, they just can't understand how deeply we've been affected. Don't try to explain it. Just tell them they can help by giving you lots of unconditional compassion and love. Terri

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