Where are JW's most vulnerable? (page 2)

wednesday

This is just my opinion but I've been around a while so I might have seen a few things. . JWS seem to dig their own grave with the lack of love thing. It really does not take most JWS long to realize that it is just words, and there isn't any real love in the Org. I can remember when there was ( -get in your "way back" machine) a time when JWS visited the sick and helped needy ones in the Cong. They helped the fatherless child.. It is almost all gone. A time when being inactive meant u would get shepherding calls and somone would ask "how can I help?" instead of calls from elders asking u if u still consider yourself a JWS -all so they can DF or DA u, if u express doubts or have questions. Why, I remember many a lively debate my uncles/aunts used to have , and by lively I mean almost yelling and table pounding, and these were the servants in the cong. People were allowed some difference of opinion and often voiced it. Those days are gone. It was fun at the conventions, we all volunteered and cooked food and well we met our future spouses and went to parties after the convention and had good times.

U are going to have to be about my age, 50, to remember that. But the really older jws, 70+ remember a really different org. I don't even recognize the org anymore. I dedicated my life to jehovah and jesus christ. Now u dedicate it to the Org. Now u read the answers from the WT and dare not veer off the material selected. Lively discussion is specluation and could get u DF for apostacy. The needy /ill end up falling through the cracks and no one feels it is their responsibility to help them. As a matter of fact, being needy and certain illness could be viewed as spiritual weakness Often these people end of DF..The elders aren't servants anymore, it is a title and one they will hang onto for dear life. As Charleton Heston said"From my cold dying hands..." That is how hard they hang onto that title. Do u think they would wash a sinners feet?

JWS are self destructing and with the net u can read all about it. Strongly related to this is the DF/DA of people and the strict rules regarding shunning. Many parents have left the ORG over this. They just refused to shun their children. I know that is part of what got me out of the org.

sorry to ramble, but when u get ot my age, u can remember a lot.

seesthesky

their hearts - show them true Christian love and do so with faith

peacefulpete

Surveys of those who escaped high control groups showed that the most influential thing was learning about other high control groups and disecting the methods of control. It is nearly inevitable that bells will ring in the head when they later catch themselves supressing their own questions and doubts or fear.

what_Truth?

The best way to get a JW to let their guard down is to be positive. Challenge their doom and gloom predictions such as The world is getting worse, humans are on the verge of self destruction, etc. If you start talking about 607, the UN, the new light flipflops, GB scandals etc. they will just tune you out and lable you an apostate. Jesus said that the signs of his coming would be Earthquakes, wars against nations, etc. If you can prove to them that things are getting better rather than worse then you have proved that then there is no logical way we can be living in the last days. If they ask you why God permits suffering ask them why God permits laughter.

tenrats

they are most vulnerable when sitting at a computer alone, and are reading the watchtower quotes .ca site with their own eyes .

link

I don?t know if I am the only one but I find it very disturbing when active JW?s come to this board and say that they know every bit of dirt about the org and yet still believe that the GB are Gods representatives on earth. They claim to know all about the paedophile problems in the congregations, the U.N. fiasco, the 607 BCE con, Malawi and Mexico, all the flip flops on doctrine and the questionable financial dealings (property, shares etc) and yet they still believe in the Org and the GB 110 %.

One of these JW?s who was going into hospital for surgery recently told me that they would not be having a blood transfusion even if it cost them their lives. I asked if the would change their mind and accept one if the GB said they had got "new light" and it was now O.K.

They replied that "yes" they would accept it and then there was a long silence whilst they digested what they had just said. Further remarks from me were totally unnecessary.

I said above that I am disturbed and I used that word because history shows that people with that level of commitment to a cult ( Branch Davidians etc) are easily talked into doing major damage to themselves or others. It sheds some light on the minds of the Moslem Fundamentalists and helps us to understand them though, doesn?t it?

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bisous

kneecaps?

iiz2cool

A "good JW" views things in a very black and white way. If something is not endorsed by the WTS then it must be from Satan. The only vunerable spot would be a person's inner doubts, as was said earlier. And I'm sure all JWs must have some that they're not comfortable talking about.

I had several that bothered me. Lack of love, elders being "appointed by holy spirit", and congregational politics were some of them. Then I learned about the child abuse scandal, which prompted me to do some research. Then I was able to connect the dots and come up with the word "CULT".

Walter

Elsewhere

Their ~~sales~~ preaching work.

A simple conversation with any non-JW will "inoculate" them against being fooled by the lies the JWs bring to people's doors.

metatron

The greatest vunerability of JW congregations exists when the elders are fighting and involved in scandals.

The greatest vunerability of individual Witnesses gets created when the organization commits some personal

offense against them. Of ex-Witnesses I've known personally, most can take you back to some mistake, some

rude elder, some gross injustice that made them wake up.

It should be clear that the Society is afraid of breaching their image of invincibility because of sliding statistics

or declining contributions - that's why they explain away the loss of a semi-monthly Awake as putting more emphasis

on the Bible. Eventually, some dramatic event could help many of these zombie/drones to awaken.

metatron

Where are JW's most vulnerable?

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