Comments You Will Not Hear at the 1-30-05 WT Study (Abbreviated)

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    blondie

    Comments You Will Not Hear at the January 30, 2005 WT Study (December 15, 2004)

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    DO YOU ACCEPT JEHOVAH?S THE WTS HELP?

    "Jehovah is my helper; I will not be afraid."?Hebrews 13:6 (NWT)

    That should make you feel like saying, "The Lord helps me! Why should I be afraid of what people can do to me?"?Hebrews 13:6 (CEV)

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    Opening Comments

    START OF ARTICLE

    w03

    3/15 p. 27 ?The Lips of Truth Will Endure Forever? ***

    Jehovah gives us sound counsel through his Word and through his organization, using the publications provided by "the faithful and discreet slave." (Matthew 24:45; 2 Timothy 3:16) How foolish to reject good advice and insist on our own way! We "must be swift about hearing" when Jehovah, "the One teaching men knowledge," counsels us through his channel of communication.?James 1:19; Psalm 94:10.

    Paragraphs 1-3

    Illustration: Imagine that you are hiking along a mountain trail. You are not alone, though, for a guide has offered to accompany you, and he is the best guide there is?he extends his hand to help you over a particularly dangerous spot. Would you refuse his help?

    The question is, the WTS see this as God?s hand or their own hand acting in God?s place?

    As Christians (only JWs are true Christians though), we have a challenging path to follow?the Bible shows that the best Guide we could ever find, Jehovah God, allows humans to walk with him?surely none of us would want to refuse his aid!

    Or in reality, not refuse what the WTS offers.

    w03

    9/1 p. 17 Trust in Jehovah Completely in Times of Distress ***

    Are we not grateful for the trustworthy guidance Jehovah provides through his organization?

    Angelic Help

    Paragraphs 4-7

    Do angels help Jehovah?s present-day servants"? Yes, they do.

    Granted, today they do not appear visibly in order to deliver true worshipers

    (JWs only) from danger. Even in Bible times, angels only rarely intervened in such a way. Most of what they did was invisible to human eyes, as is the case today.

    Revelation 14:6: "I saw another angel flying in midheaven, and he had everlasting good news to declare as glad tidings to those who dwell on the earth, and to every nation and tribe and tongue and people."

    Of course, the angels are not preaching directly.

    As in last week?s article, the WTS tries to show that the angels are directing JWs to the "sheep." In view of the times, why then are JWs going so often to people who are not interested in their message or to homes where people are never home?

    For example, we often hear that in the course of their ministry, Jehovah?s Witnesses come across a person who had only recently prayed to God for help in finding the truth. Such experiences occur far too often to be dismissed as mere coincidences. (If you have the WT-CD, search using Revelation 14:6 and you will find the many examples)

    My question is, if we asked the Mormons or other Christian groups that preach door to door, would they have the same feelings and similar proof? What about all the people who prayed and no one came?has that been evaluated?

    Help From the Chief of the Angels

    Paragraphs 8-10

    Jehovah also provides us with another type of angelic help.

    Revelation 10:1 (CEV)

    I saw another powerful angel come down from heaven. This one was covered with a cloud, and a rainbow was over his head. His face was like the sun, his legs were like columns of fire,

    This visionary angel evidently (buzzword meaning the WTS can?t be too definite) pictures the glorified Jesus Christ in heavenly power. (Revelation 1:13,16)

    Is Jesus really an angel? In a sense (buzzword again letting the WTS couch their opinion), yes, for he is an archangel. (1 Thessalonians 4:16).

    In a sense???? Either he is or he isn?t an angel.

    What is an archangel? That word means "principal angel," or "chief angel." Jesus is the mightiest of all of Jehovah?s spirit sons.

    Now ask yourself, why did this point have to be brought? In what way does it enhance Jesus? position as a Christian?s helper? Isn?t Jesus in a position higher than all others except God?s? Why lower him to an archangel? Does he have to be an angel to be a helper?

    "If anyone does commit a sin, we have a helper with the Father, Jesus Christ, a righteous one." (1 John 2:1)

    Finally, the WTS quotes this scripture. Jesus was left out of the picture in last week?s article.

    Why did John suggest (???)) that Jesus is our "helper" particularly when we "commit a sin"?

    Jesus laid down his life as a sacrifice for our sins?to plead in our behalf?accept it?repent of our sins and seek forgiveness?avoid repeating our sins.

    Jesus set the perfect example for us?his example guides us.

    If that is true, why does the WTS almost always uses OT examples for JWs to follow?

    (Is Jesus an archangel?is he Michael the archangel?a topic by itself?some WT quotes are at the end of this review.)

    The Help of the Holy Spirit

    Paragraphs 11-14

    John 14:16,17:

    "I will request the Father and he will give you another helper to be with you forever, the spirit of the truth, which the world cannot receive."

    Holy spirit, is not a person but a force?Jehovah?s active force

    Used in creating the universe, in performing spectacular miracles, and in providing visionary revelations of his will.

    Since Jehovah is not using his spirit in those specific ways today, does that mean that we do not need it?

    Makes you wonder what the WTS means by spirit-directed then?

    If in faith we sincerely ask him for holy spirit, it is inconceivable that he would deny us this gift. The question, then, is, Do we ask for it? We have good reason to make that request in our prayers every day.

    Second, we accept that gift by working in harmony with it.

    To illustrate: Suppose a Christian (only JWs) is struggling with a tendency to view pornography. He (only men?) has prayed for holy spirit to help him resist this filthy (interesting adjective) habit. He has sought counsel from Christian elders, and they have advised him to take decisive action, refraining from even going near such debasing material. What if he ignores their counsel?

    Is he working in harmony with his prayer for the holy spirit to help him?

    Or is he, rather, running the risk of grieving God?s spirit and losing out on this gift? (Ephesians 4:30)

    What is grieving the holy spirit? Is it the same as sinning against the holy spirit?

    w92 9/15 p. 18 Jehovah?s Spirit Leads His People ***

    Cooperate fully with God?s spirit-led earthly organization
    . Never allow yourself to veer off on an unscriptural course that would amount to grieving the holy spirit, for this might eventually lead to the withdrawal of it and thus to spiritual disaster. w83 10/15 p. 24 Reject Worldly Desires! ***

    If left unchecked, worldly desires can cause us to grieve God?s holy spirit by disregarding it, taking a course contrary to its leading and setting our heart on objectives other than those toward which the spirit would impel us. "Grieving God?s holy spirit" also means rejecting his Word. (Ephesians 4:30; compare Acts 7:51-53.) This can lead to deliberate rebellion against the evident manifestation of Jehovah?s spirit and can mean blasphemy against that spirit, an unforgivable sin. (Matthew 12:31, 32; Mark 3:29; compare Hebrews 6:4-6; 10:26-31.) So may we never start down the path of independence and indulgence in worldly practices from which we once were rescued through Jehovah?s undeserved kindness. Instead, let us pray for the holy spirit and yield to its influence, which will help us to resist the world and its enticements.?Psalm 143:10; Luke 11:13.

    Help From God?s Word

    Paragraphs 15-18

    Rather than taking the Holy Scriptures for granted?need to make Bible reading a part of our regular routine.

    Psalm 1:2,3:

    We are associated with an organization that brings the pure water of truth right to us, but we must do our part.

    Isn?t the water of truth in the Bible?was that brought to use by the WTS or did many, many other people or organizations play a large part in that?

    How is responsible for translating and distributing more Bibles, Protestant groups or the WTS?

    Neither is it a charm, or a talisman?as if we could shut our eyes, let our Bible fall open at random, and then expect the answer to our questions to appear on the page before us.

    Are JWs doing this?

    Diligent and careful (translation: using only WTS publications) research is often needed in order to find Scriptural counsel that addresses our specific needs. We have many Bible-based publications (WTS publications only) to help us in our search.

    Help Through Fellow Believers

    Paragraphs 19-24

    Jehovah?s human servants (only JWs) have always been a source of help to one another.

    No doubt (buzzword) each of us can think of instances in which we received just the help we needed at the right time from our fellow believers.

    Right time: translation: if you didn?t get it, it wasn?t the right time (see: wait on Jehovah)

    For instance, can you recall some article in the Watchtower or Awake?Jehovah brought you that help by means of "the faithful and discreet slave" assigned to provide "food at the proper time."?Matthew 24:45-47.

    Often?more direct?a Christian elder gives a talk?makes a shepherding call?offers kindly counsel?

    One thankful Christian writes?"In field service, he took the time to draw me out."

    When was the last time an elder worked in field service with you. Did all the elders jump into a car together and take off, leaving the sheep to fend for themselves?do they only work with the brothers in the congregation??

    Just the night before, I had prayed to Jehovah, asking for someone I could talk to?I am thankful to Jehovah for sending this elder to me.:

    "gifts in men"

    Do/did the elders in your congregation make themselves available?

    Automobile accident?daughter killed; father, severely injured?couple in congregation took this grieving couple into their home and cared for them for several weeks?

    Where was the rest of the congregation? Did they help? Did they figure they were off the hook because of these 2 people?

    Of course, not all acts of kindness involve such tragedy and personal sacrifice?kind word or thoughtful act?just the help you needed?

    Great joy comes from giving of ourselves to our brothers and sisters.

    BUT

    Neither the joy of giving such help nor the uplift of receiving it comes to those who deliberately isolate themselves. (Proverbs 18:1)

    SO

    Hence, let us be faithful in gathering together at Christian meetings so that we can encourage one another.?Hebrews 10:24,25.

    If we endure together in faith, we will live to see Jehovah?s most spectacular and glorious acts in all history!

    And what would that be, the wholesale destruction of over 6 billion men, women and children, forever?

    Concluding Comments

    In the OT and NT, did those who served God spend hours reading books and publications prepared by their religious leaders? Why should people today? Isn?t the Bible enough?

    Matthew 15:6-9 (CEV)

    6Is this any way to show respect to your parents? You ignore God's commands in order to follow your own teaching.

    7And you are nothing but show-offs! Isaiah the prophet was right when he wrote that God had said,

    8"All of you praise me with your words, but you never really think about me.

    9It is useless for you to worship me, when you teach rules made up by humans."

    w02 10/1 p. 12 Jehovah Blesses and Protects Those Who Are Obedient

    However, if we stay close to God and respond swiftly to the direction we receive through his Word and organization, we can be assured of his protective care.

    Blondie

    ***g02 2/8 pp. 16-17 The Bible?s Viewpoint Who Is Michael the Archangel?

    ACCORDING to the Bible, there are millions of angelic creatures inhabiting the spirit realm. (Daniel 7:9, 10; Revelation 5:11) From beginning to end, the Scriptures make hundreds of references to the angels that remain loyal to God. Yet, only two of these spirit creatures are mentioned by name. One is the angel Gabriel, who personally delivered messages from God to three different individuals over a period of some 600 years. (Daniel 9:20-22; Luke 1:8-19, 26-28) The other angel mentioned by name in the Bible is Michael.

    Michael is clearly an outstanding angel. For example, in the book of Daniel, Michael is described as fighting wicked demons in behalf of Jehovah?s people. (Daniel 10:13; 12:1) In the inspired letter of Jude, Michael confronts Satan in a dispute over Moses? body. (Jude 9) The book of Revelation shows that Michael wars with Satan and his demons and hurls them out of heaven. (Revelation 12:7-9) No other angel is portrayed as having such great power and authority over God?s enemies. It is no wonder, then, that the Bible appropriately refers to Michael as "the archangel," the prefix "arch" meaning "chief," or "principal."

    The Controversy Over Michael?s Identity

    Christendom?s religions, as well as Judaism and Islam, have conflicting ideas on the subject of angels. Some explanations are vague. For instance, The Anchor Bible Dictionary states: "There may be a single superior angel and/or a small group of archangels (usually four or seven)." According to The Imperial Bible-Dictionary, Michael is the "name of a superhuman being, in regard to whom there have in general been two rival opinions, either that he is the Lord Jesus Christ, the Son of God, or that he is one of the so-called seven archangels."

    In Jewish tradition these seven archangels are Gabriel, Jeremiel, Michael, Raguel, Raphael, Sariel, and Uriel. On the other hand, Islam believes in four archangels, namely, Jibril, Mikal, Izrail, and Israfil. Catholicism also believes in four archangels: Michael, Gabriel, Raphael, and Uriel. What does the Bible say? Are there several archangels?

    The Bible?s Answer

    Aside from Michael, no archangel is mentioned in the Bible, nor do the Scriptures use the term "archangel" in the plural. The Bible describes Michael as the archangel, implying that he alone bears that designation. Hence, it is reasonable to conclude that Jehovah God has delegated to one, and only one, of his heavenly creatures full authority over all other angels.

    Aside from the Creator himself, only one faithful person is spoken of as having angels under subjection?namely, Jesus Christ. (Matthew 13:41; 16:27; 24:31) The apostle Paul made specific mention of "the Lord Jesus" and "his powerful angels." (2 Thessalonians 1:7) And Peter described the resurrected Jesus by saying: "He is at God?s right hand, for he went his way to heaven; and angels and authorities and powers were made subject to him."?1 Peter 3:22.

    While there is no statement in the Bible that categorically identifies Michael the archangel as Jesus, there is one scripture that links Jesus with the office of archangel. In his letter to the Thessalonians, the apostle Paul prophesied: "The Lord himself will descend from heaven with a commanding call, with an archangel?s voice and with God?s trumpet, and those who are dead in union with Christ will rise first." (1 Thessalonians 4:16) In this scripture Jesus is described as having assumed his power as God?s Messianic King. Yet, he speaks with "an archangel?s voice." Note, too, that he has the power to raise the dead.

    While on earth as a human, Jesus performed several resurrections. In doing so, he used his voice to utter commanding calls. For example, when resurrecting the dead son of a widow in the city of Nain, he said: "Young man, I say to you, Get up!" (Luke 7:14, 15) Later, just before resurrecting his friend Lazarus, Jesus "cried out with a loud voice: ?Lazarus, come on out!?" (John 11:43) But on these occasions, Jesus? voice was the voice of a perfect man.

    After his own resurrection, Jesus was raised to a "superior position" in heaven as a spirit creature. (Philippians 2:9) No longer a human, he has the voice of an archangel. So when God?s trumpet sounded the call for "those who are dead in union with Christ" to be raised to heaven, Jesus issued "a commanding call," this time "with an archangel?s voice." It is reasonable to conclude that only an archangel would call "with an archangel?s voice."

    Yes, there are other angelic creatures of high rank, such as seraphs and cherubs. (Genesis 3:24; Isaiah 6:2) Yet, the Scriptures point to the resurrected Jesus Christ as the chief of all angels?Michael the archangel.

  • Will Power
    Will Power

    Wow, Blondie, alot to be commented on this week.

    For the newbies: One of my favourite:

    Is Jesus really an angel? In a sense (buzzword again letting the WTS couch their opinion), yes, for he is an archangel. (1 Thessalonians 4:16).

    1 thes 4:16 Please Check your WT CD ...."For the Lord(*) Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, .....

    Please check the footnote *Jehovah

    and they have advised him to take decisive action, refraining from even going near such debasing material. Which body part should he cut out (or off)

    Regarding the angel thing again....Hebrews Chapter 1. I find it interesting in vs 4....to the Jews angels were exalted beings, esp revered etc. The Dead Sea Scrolls reflect the expectation that the archangel Michael would be the supreme figure in the Messianic kingdom. (which they did not believe Jesus to be) The verses to follow indicated that this "name" was SON - a name to which NO ANGEL could lay claim. Christ's superiority to angels is then documented by seven OT quotations.

    This Chapter of Hebrews is telling the JEWS of the day that the messiah did come and it is not who they thought it would be! Of course this NT letter was/is acknowledged by the jews who converted to CHRISTianity (I think the WT should start capitalizing - maybe they'd realize the difference between it and Judism.) and not by the Jews who are STILL WAITING.

    Thanks Blondie.

  • ezekiel3
    ezekiel3

    Neither is it a charm, or a talisman?as if we could shut our eyes, let our Bible fall open at random, and then expect the answer to our questions to appear on the page before us.

    Are JWs doing this?

    A phrase I have heard repeated is "the Bible is frozen holy spirit" and that you have to use it to "thaw it's power."

    Letting a book "fall open" is a metaphysical practice. Commonly used with sacred books, the idea is that a non-physical power will direct you to a certain passage you need to read. A variant superstition is if a book falls from a shelf, you are meant to read from the page the book opens to.

    *** g99 10/22 pp. 3-4 Superstitions?How Widespread Today? ***

    Alluding to this derivation, the book Superstitions states: "The superstitions that still exist today stand above the ages that attempted to obliterate them." Consider just a few examples of the persistence of superstitions...

    A person opens the Bible at random and reads the text that first meets his eye, believing that those words will provide the particular guidance he needs at the moment.

    So that's uncanny spiritism is it? Then I wonder how many people were led by Satan to JWs?

    *** yb96 p. 48 Asia and Islands of the Pacific ***

    A young man in Thailand had heard a missionary witness to his older sister, but he did not express interest. He was involved in spiritism. Then one day he picked up a Bible, opened it at random, and read 1 Peter 2:9, where it says that God called his people "out of darkness into his wonderful light." This scripture puzzled him, and he began thinking of the missionary.

    *** w81 1/1 pp. 21-22 "Engaging in the Holy Work of the Good News" ***

    God?s acceptance and blessing continue on this preaching work, including the important house-to-house activity of locating and helping persons. As just one indication, a minister who visits congregations in a large district accepted an invitation to accompany a Christian in Maryland on a call to conduct a Bible study. He says:

    "I asked the householder what motivated her to study the Bible with Jehovah?s Witnesses. She said that often she would open the Bible at random, point her finger at a verse and read it. But she seldom could understand what she read.

    "One day she was very depressed over serious family problems. Again she opened her Bible and picked out a verse. She could not understand it, and in her depression and disappointment began to cry. She prayed to God to send her someone to help her understand his Word. Just as she said that, the doorbell rang. Answering it she found a Witness, who began, ?Would you like to understand the Bible?? The householder pulled her inside and quickly a regular study was begun."

    *** g70 10/22 pp. 13-14 Turning Point in a Priestly Career ***

    One particular evening I had no such book on hand, so I had to fall back on my pocket edition of the NĂ¡car-Colunga Version of the Bible. Not knowing where to start, I opened the Bible at random and began reading at Exodus chapter 19. All went well until I reached chapter 20, verses four and five.

    What a surprise to find in the Word of God a text condemning the making and worshiping of images! I could hardly believe my eyes! I had always viewed the Bible as sacred. I closed the Bible and pondered. "How is it possible?" I thought to myself. "Have they been deceiving me all this time?" My next thought?"I should not be thinking this way about our church?s teaching, for I could be consigned to hellfire."

    Again I opened the Bible to finish out my half hour of reading, and this time it fell open at Isaiah chapter 40. By the end of the time allotted I had reached Isaiah 42:8, where it says: "I am, Jehovah is my name, I give my glory to no other, neither to idols the honor that is due me." Once more I realized with a jolt that the Bible was speaking to me directly and emphasizing that God is not pleased with the worship of images. How confused I felt! Could it be that my religion was on the wrong track? Just then the bell signaled that it was time for bed.
    It is possible that JWs got this idea from reading the publications??
  • heathen
    heathen

    I always think it interesting that they know how to use logic when stating that michael and jesus are one and the same but can't come to the conclusion about the scriptures that say jesus is God when those sciptures flat out and say it . Instead they go to great legnths trying to discredit some scriptures . It also gets me that somehow using the bible and finding scriptures that enlighten you by chance is now evil , I mean give me a friggen break here . How are they so friggen sure they aren't speaking against the spirit on that one? The point is that people are turning to God for answeres and that is apparently what the whole thing is about .I think it fair to say that God can use whatever means suits his purpose . I don't doubt that people in the WTBTS don't exsperience alot of super natural events because they are the evil slave . I think it disgusting that they would condemn anything that they feel like because they are closed minded hypocrites . They even demonize people over it , I know this because I exsperienced it . They are insulting dogmatic jerks .

  • Gopher
    Gopher

    Do JW's accept Jehovah's help? The study article implies that if you're having any struggle in life, it's because you're not obedient enough to their organization.

    The article provides the illusion to the JW's that they are special, and that their heavenly friends (Jehovah, Jesus the archangel and the other angels) are helping them. However, apparently the angels only help you if you're going out distributing Watchtower literature. The citation of the Revelation scripture about the angels having "good news to declare" leaves out any notion of them being there to help you with any other struggles you are having.

    And if other JW's care about you, my experience in the organization was that their help was IN SPITE of being a Witness, and not necessarily because of it. Many people are helpful because they can empathize with you, and that is also true of many people in the world outside JW's. Otherwise nobody would donate to charity or disaster relief efforts.

    And that part about linking help from "holy spirit" with accepting the elder's rule over your life.... don't even get me started! The prominent elders love to have the authority. It has nothing to do with "holy spirit".

  • cyber-sista
    cyber-sista
    Diligent and careful (translation: using only WTS publications) research is often needed in order to find Scriptural counsel that addresses our specific needs. We have many Bible-based publications (WTS publications only) to help us in our search.

    What if your diligent research of the WT proves to you that the WT is wrong and filled with inconsistencies and an ever changing doctrines? What if you really open your mind and see it for what it is? The last pioneer sister who came to my door rambled on at me about the importance of personal study (It was obvious that she thought this was my problem and the reason I had drifted away from the congo).. I didn't say anything at the time, but that was one of my problems--too much personal study proved the WT wrong! Maybe the WT should warn people about staying balanced with their personal study--too much of it could be dangerous! Maybe an article entitled. Personal study--is there a balance?--if so how can we achieve it?

    Thanks Blondie,

    cybs

  • stillajwexelder
    stillajwexelder

    Trustworthy advice - cover up pedophilia - must have two witnesses - dont report it to the police

  • Honesty
    Honesty
    Diligent and careful (translation: using only WTS publications) research is often needed in order to find Scriptural counsel that addresses our specific needs. We have many Bible-based publications (WTS publications only) to help us in our search.

    Due to being cut off from Jehovah's Organisation due to valid charges of sedition against the WTBTS, I wonder how am I going to cope without the Bible-based publications so wickedly lovingly provided by the mean and evil apostate slave faithful and discreet slave? I don't even have a copy of the inaccurate New World Order Translation of the Bible.

    BWAAAAH WHAAAAH WHAAAAH

  • cyber-sista
    cyber-sista
    Diligent and careful (translation: using only WTS publications) research is often needed in order to find Scriptural counsel that addresses our specific needs. We have many Bible-based publications (WTS publications only) to help us in our search.

    After reading this a second time around I see that the meaning of personal study is different than examining the publications for research purposes or to find the truth of the matter. What it is saying here is if we have a problem and we need some councel on that problem go to the WT publications, look up said problem, find the answer and then do what it says--that is research according to the WT. Just listen and obey and whatever you do--DON'T ASK QUESTIONS!

    cybs

  • blondie
    blondie

    and they have advised him to take decisive action, refraining from even going near such debasing material.
    Which body part should he cut out (or off)

    Very good, will power.

    I know that the WTS has been losing elders and MS to this problem. I know of an elder who kept older copies of Playboy at home and called them collector?s items, that they were accruing value just like a painting would (assuming someone like Van Gogh painted it). I guess that is the art versus pornography question.

    Now is a Dfing offense if a brother masturbates while talking sex on the phone to a person. Does it count if he doesn?t ejaculate?

    Regarding the angel thing again....Hebrews Chapter 1. I find it interesting in vs 4....to the Jews angels were exalted beings, esp revered etc. The Dead Sea Scrolls reflect the expectation that the archangel Michael would be the supreme figure in the Messianic kingdom. (which they did not believe Jesus to be) The verses to follow indicated that this "name" was SON - a name to which NO ANGEL could lay claim. Christ's superiority to angels is then documented by seven OT quotations.

    A good example of the need to look at the context of a scripture.

    The Michael-Jesus-archangel was the first WT doctrine that I finally realized was a bunch of hooey.

    Good research, Zeke,

    Neither is it a charm, or a talisman?as if we could shut our eyes, let our Bible fall open at random, and then expect the answer to our questions to appear on the page before us.

    Your examples show how the WTS speaks out of both sides of their mouth. Somehow God uses this technique with non-JWs to lead them to "the truth" but not after they are baptized.

    Heathen

    ,
    It also gets me that somehow using the bible and finding scriptures that enlighten you by chance is now evil , I mean give me a friggen break here . How are they so friggen sure they aren't speaking against the spirit on that one? The point is that people are turning to God for answeres and that is apparently what the whole thing is about

    The WTS believes you can only understand the Bible with their help, that you cannot read the Bible by yourself.

    Here?s what arose out of the 1980?s "apostasy"

    w81 8/15 p. 28 Serving Jehovah "Shoulder to Shoulder" ***

    They try to sow doubts and to separate unsuspecting ones from the bounteous "table" of spiritual food spread at the Kingdom Halls of Jehovah?s Witnesses, where truly there is ?nothing lacking.? (Ps. 23:1-6) They say that it is sufficient to read the Bible exclusively, either alone or in small groups at home.

    Yet an experience from 1928:

    w02

    11/1 p. 21 We Stuck to Our Assignment ***

    Like Father, I was a staunch Catholic. My ambition was to serve as a Capuchin monk in India. When my brother Richard, by then one of Jehovah?s Witnesses, heard of these plans, he made a special journey to Switzerland to try to dissuade me. He warned me about the danger of trusting in men, especially clergymen, and encouraged me to read the Bible and trust in it alone. Despite misgivings, I acquired a New Testament and began to read it. Little by little it dawned on me that many of my beliefs were not in harmony with Bible teachings.

    w94

    10/1 p. 8 The Bible?A Book Meant to Be Understood ***

    Even as Bible prophecy pointed forward to the Messiah, it also directs us to the close-knit body of anointed Christian Witnesses that now serve as the faithful and discreet slave. It helps us to understand the Word of God. All who want to understand the Bible should appreciate that the "greatly diversified wisdom of God" can become known only through Jehovah?s channel of communication, the faithful and discreet slave.?John 6:68.

    Good points, Gopher

    The article provides the illusion to the JW's that they are special, and that their heavenly friends (Jehovah, Jesus the archangel and the other angels) are helping them. However, apparently the angels only help you if you're going out distributing Watchtower literature. The citation of the Revelation scripture about the angels having "good news to declare" leaves out any notion of them being there to help you with any other struggles you are having.
    And if other JW's care about you, my experience in the organization was that their help was IN SPITE of being a Witness, and not necessarily because of it. Many people are helpful because they can empathize with you, and that is also true of many people in the world outside JW's. Otherwise nobody would donate to charity or disaster relief efforts.
    And that part about linking help from "holy spirit" with accepting the elder's rule over your life.... don't even get me started! The prominent elders love to have the authority. It has nothing to do with "holy spirit".

    And it is the love of that "authority" or privilege that keeps many good men locked into a situation that gradually erodes their empathetic side. The elders are not very nice to each other. There are political factions on every body that jockey back and forth for the "authority."

    Yes, I?m sure that the WTS connects placing WT literature with the angels? support. As the above shows, the WTS feels that no one can understand the Bible with WT literature.

    As my hubbie pointed out, the real love and support in most congregations come from the "lowly" women who are not good enough to have positions.

    So true, cybersista

    The last pioneer sister who came to my door rambled on at me about the importance of personal study (It was obvious that she thought this was my problem and the reason I had drifted away from the congo).. I didn't say anything at the time, but that was one of my problems--too much personal study proved the WT wrong! Maybe the WT should warn people about staying balanced with their personal study--too much of it could be dangerous!

    When I started reading the Studies in the Scriptures and Rutherford?s books, I realized what strange ideas they had believed in the past, how much had changed, and how the WTS concealed it from the rank and file, sometimes down right lying as in Jesus? presence being in 1874 rather than the 1914 they advertise as being the belief all along.

    Stilla,

    Trustworthy advice - cover up pedophilia - must have two witnesses - dont report it to the police

    Are you saying that the elders are more concerned about what the WTS says than the welfare of the sheep?

    Hi Honesty,

    Due to being cut off from Jehovah's Organisation due to valid charges of sedition against the WTBTS

    I notice you did not say being cut off from God and that these were not sedition charges against him. I once told several elders that I did not worry about their making errors in judgment, since God held the power over life and death, and that it was his good opinion that mattered. I thought they would drop their teeth since they believed, elders = God. Just remember they are men and only have the power over us that we give them.

    Hi again cybersista,

    What it is saying here is if we have a problem and we need some councel on that problem go to the WT publications, look up said problem, find the answer and then do what it says--that is research according to the WT. Just listen and obey and whatever you do--DON'T ASK QUESTIONS!

    True, but most of those in the rank and file don?t trust their research, so they run to the elders. I remember an elder complaining a couple of years ago that the questions seem to have increased. I think that is because the WTS couches their words in the comments to CYA with the secular authorities. There are many more unwritten rules and policies; the COs even are instructed to just read information to the elders and not give them a copy of the letter, telling the elders that what they are reading from is not a "letter" in spite of the obvious letterhead.

    Good comments, folks.

    Love Blondie

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