Why? I have to ask...

by AGuest 27 Replies latest jw friends

AGuest

May you all have peace!
May I ask...
Why is it that when someone knocked on your door and said, "Hey, we have the 'truth', and some of us are 'anointed'" and yet, could not PROVE that truth... nor even EXPLAIN that anointing... you believed?
Yet, when someone who makes that claim has absolutely NO problem explaining it to you and telling you of it... blow by blow... you do NOT believe?
Why is it that when they came in their own name, one they gave THEMSELVES and NOT one given them 'by divine providence' and called THEMSELVES the 'visible representation of the Lord on earth'... and yet, do not even know that the Bible is NOT the Word of God, but that such LORD is... you believed?
Yet, when someone comes to you in the name of JAH... and of His Son, JAHESHUA MISCHAJAH, who did not reveal their name to you until forced to do so, but has hidden NOTHING of the things given to such one from you, but shared ALL things with you... one such thing BEING that the Son of God IS the Truth and IS God's Word... you do NOT believe?
John 14:6
John 1:14
Revelation 19:13
Why is it that when they CONFESSED to you that they are not inspired, that their writings are not inspired, that they simply examine the 'scriptures' and DEDUECE therefrom what is 'truth' and what is 'light'... but such 'truth' and 'light' CHANGES as they will it... you believed?
But when someone confesses to you that he or she knows NOTHING of their own initiative, but only what they RECEIVE from God, that the 'scriptures and verses' are NOT the 'truth' and are NOT the 'Word of God'... that 'truth' does not 'change'... but is everlasting... and such Truth and Word is ALIVE... and speaks to ALL 'wish' to 'hear'... you do not believe?
Why is it before you knew that they were a farce, an imposterish institution that teaches hate and division, that shows no mercy accept to those who are 'part of them', that devours widows houses, and compels you to lead people to THEM... you believed?
But after you cried out to God to SHOW you the Truth... and someone was 'sent' BY that One to lead you NOT to him or herself or to some other 'organization' but TO that Truth... who asked you for NOTHING... not your time, not your money, not your glory, not your dedication... nothing other than perhaps a little faith... you do NOT believe?
Why is it that you do NOT think crazy... or mad... or schizo... a group of people who have for decades preached a false message, gave false dates and times and seasons, shut up the kingdom of the heavens before you, put you BACK under the Law Covenant, told you that YOU have a 'hope' that no one in the Bible had and in fact a 'hope' that is not even IN the Bible...?
But DO think crazy... mad... schizo... one who HAS endeavored to speak to you ONLY truth... in response to the askings of YOUR heart to 'know Truth'... has given you NO 'date or hour' and in fact says that such is NOT known because even the Son, who speaks to such one does not know it, has invited you INTO the kingdom, rather than shutting it up before you, and endeavored with ALL love to UNBIND you from that Law... and RELEASE you from your sins UNDER that Law, rather than judge and condemn you pursuant to it, and has proclaimed to you, just as those before such one proclaimed... that there is only ONE HOPE?
Why is it that you are angry and mad at God and lack faith in Him and His Son... when it was some men you were told NOT to put your trust in who lied to you, misled you, falsely prophesied to you, broke up your family, taught you to hate, taught your family to hate you, judge you and condemn you, because THEY hate, judge and condemn you?
And why is it... that when some unassuming person that you don't even know, has wished you nothing BUT love and peace... has offered to SHARE the 'good news' of the kingdom with you... as it has been and is being shares with HER... no matter WHAT you are, WHO you are, WHERE you are, WHAT your background, your experience, your beliefs or disbeliefs... your actions... your inactions... and no matter what venom, malice and hatred you return... you are still mad at God?
Truly, can He 'win' with you? Could He ever, really? He did not send you into 'religion'. He did not bind you under law. He did not tell you they were the 'truth'. THEY did it. THEY came to you. THEY bound you under law. THEY told you they were the 'truth'. And YOU believed them... and went... either willingly... or by the compulsion of those entrusted with your care, perhaps your parents.
Blame God, if you will... and blame Christ. And ridicule any who preach them to you, including me. So be it. But you will NOT be able to say you weren't invited. You will NOT be able to say, "Well, why didn't someone TELL me." You were invited; and you have been told. Now, whether you 'hear'... or you 'refrain'... is again, entirely up to you.
I am not asking any to listen to me. I am telling you simply what my Lord has directed me to tell you: LISTEN TO HIM.
Matthew 17:3
Hebrews 12:25
John 10:27
And if you have faith but the size of a mustard seed, you WILL hear him. And if you don't but indeed 'wish' to hear... ASK FOR SUCH FAITH. It is a 'gift' of the spirit... and my Father gives to all those asking Him.
Luke 11:13
I bid you peace.
A TRUE servant God, by means of being a slave of Christ,
SJ
jayhawk1

Hi AGuest,
I want to let you know I appreciate your posts, perhaps a little long for me, but that is my problem not yours. I hope you are not mad at me, because I appreciated your help on my question. Don't let everyone pile on or cause you hurt. People here may not always agree with you, but the same can be said for the Christ. I do want to ask you a question, do you still consider yourself a Jehovah's Witness?
I hope you will continue to write your beliefs.
Jeremy
"Hand me that whiskey, I need to consult the spirit."-J.F. Rutherford
willy_think

hi AGuest,
Why is it that when someone knocked on your door and said, "Hey, we have the 'truth', and some of us are 'anointed'" and yet, could not PROVE that truth... nor even EXPLAIN that anointing... you believed?
thay don't do that. at the door thay only get a few drunks who hit bottom and get the WT, insted of AA.
for most JWs it is the run of the mill cult indoctrination.
the ideas and opinions expressed in this post do not necessiarly represent those of the WTB&TS inc. or any of it's subsidiary corporations.
AGuest

Peace to you, JH1!
Mad at you?! Omigosh, no! I am not mad at anyone, I promise. I have been taught by my Lord and have learned, there's no benefit in anger for me. Why do/have something of no benefit?
No, I am not a Jehovah's Witness. First, because I am a 'christian', which name, by 'divine providence', means 'chosen' or 'anointed' person. I have received the promised holy spirit, so, by default, that makes me a 'christian'. I do not say that blow my own horn, but simply to speak truth. The 'society' makes it such a 'glorified' position that, well, you can't speak about and confess it. I remember one brother saying to me some years ago, "Well, if you are... act like it!" When I asked what that meant, he said if I was, I wouldn't go around telling folks. Er? What person who received the promised holy spirit would TELL folks about it? Wouldn't you be shoutin' it from the mountain tops? I would think...
Second, they wouldn't 'have' me anymore, praise JAH! Asked me to disassociate myself ("if you would just DA yourself, everything would be better"). And when I told them I could not because "Israel is Israel" and I could not 'disassociate' myself from Israel, they showed me the door. Well, not really. I had actually stopped going for about a year, because the 'untruth' would make me nauseous.
But it all took place not soon enough, I might add. Took them a while to do it. Had to find a reason that wouldn't bother their consciences. Said it was because I 'refused' to meet with them (already had - 14 times; 6 judicially). I told them I wouldn't meet with them anymore because I had 'shared' all that I had been given; I had nothing else to say (which was kinda funny because the first few times we met, they wanted to know what I knew... until the CO told them to stop it!)
Another funny thing: Barber didn't call me an apostate, either. He just looked scared when at the moment both he and I knew that he (and his 'cronies') was not who he said he was... and I knew it... and I was who I said I was... and he knew it. That was kind of 'weird'. I felt sorry for him. He did say I was 'dancin' with demons'... for which I cautioned him, and he got that scared look again... but he didn't tell anyone (that I know of). At least, not back home at my congregation. They didn't know I had spoken to him until about a year later... when I told them. Yeah, they wanted to know all about that, too.
Anyway... I've risked the 'word limit' police saying I've gotten long-winded again. Can't have THAT, can we?
Later, JH1... and peace to you... to time indefinite!
Your servant, and a slave of Christ,
SJ
jayhawk1

Dear AGuest,
About my saying your posts are too long for me. I have trouble reading long posts, because of attention deficit disorder. It is hard for me to read a longer post. But don't let that stop you from saying what you need to say. Like I said, that is my problem not yours. You just sounded a little out of sorts, and I wanted to tell you how much I appreciate your opinions. I hope you have a great day.
"Hand me that whiskey, I need to consult the spirit."-J.F. Rutherford
AGuest

Hi, Jeremy... and peace to you!
I am truly sorry for the long posts. A lot in my heart, I guess. Take your time and read them; they're around quite a while before they disappear into cybernevernever land.
And thank you for your loving kindness. It will be remembered, to time indefinite, and I pray that the underserved kindness and mercy of my God and Father, JAH OF ARMIES, and the peace of His Christ, my Lord, JAHESHUA MISCHAJAH, will come to be upon you... you and your entire household... if you so 'wish' it.
I am...
YOUR servant and a slave of Christ,
SJ
JUSTAMOM

Good Morning my dear sister:
Amen and Amen to all that our lord has to say.
It is so true how Israel continues to love being misled.
But my sister it is fortold. JEREMIAH 5!
And verse 31 says, "Prophets themselves actually prophesy in faslsehold (for decades), and as for the priests, they go subduing according to their powers.(turning over the feeding to non-anointed).AND MY OWN PEOPLE HAVE LOVED IT That WAY; AND WHAT WILL YOU MEN DO IN THE FINALE OF IT?"
May you continue to have our fathers blessings as you fulfill your ministry!
JUST A MOM (Kim)
finalcall

Hello Sis (Shelby)
Some people only want to beleive in what they can prove scientifically. Then they do not have to exercise faith, they do not have to learn to listen with spiritual eyes and ears.
Man has learned to communicate with people over great distances even when one is on the moon, but some refuse to beleive that God can do the same and so because of their lack of faith they do not yet hear, but He offers it to all.
If it was super easy, everyone would have faith and we wouldn't have to work on it.
Keep up the good work my sister
your brother in Christ
Finalcall
TMS

Shelby's quaint, but acceptable, first century style salutations remind me of a sister in one of the congregations of my past.
Almost annually, her speech would take on a decidedly sanctimonious tone, remininscent of the Pauline letters. Her comments became more profound, ethereal. The Scriptures became her personal letter. When these episodes manifested close to the spring equinox, she partook of the emblems.
Her grown children came to recognize in the development of these symptoms, a need for a medicinal dosage adjustment and sometimes a period of hospital stay.
This is not to imply that her profession of anointing was less valid than anyone's, although twenty-five years ago, as a much younger man, I was party to trying to "reason" with her about her "calling".
TMS
ps Just reminiscing!
Gopher

Shelby,
I think that you are trying to do good, trying to bring a peaceful message to the board. It's probably in the "nature of the beast" for some folks to poke fun at something that's a little different from usual.
But perhaps most on the board, due to their exposure to the tactics of the WTS and JW's, are reluctant to believe that God uses any special spokespeople today. The common belief seems to be (and I know I'm not speaking for ALL)is that in general, religious communication is a mixture of truth and deception. Due to the dubious history of religion, the skepticism of religion/religious messages in general is not totally undeserved, I'm sure you'd agree.
There was even a thread recently where a new poster asked if people were religious, agnostic, atheistic or other. Among those who responded, a large number proclaimed themselves agnostic or atheist. This should not be surprising, seeing that this would be an expected reaction to the JW experience.
So when we see "special messages" that purport to be from God, it's just a natural defense mechanism to put up the shield of skepticism, even before examining any of the detail. And then when the detail contains 20 paragraphs of information, not all will want to wade through that, because it seems too much like a "Watchtower study". Who of us would enjoy regular "Watchtower studies" beating ideas into our heads again?
I would tend to read your posts if they're shorter and to the point. I don't want to go deep into every subject. Maybe some others do. But my point in coming to this board was to "move past" the thought-control environment I endured as a JW. I'm not ready to take up a substitute form of religion. I feel the need to "breathe free".
GopherEven if you're on the right track, you'll get run over if you just sit there.
Will Rogers (1879-1935)

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