Spinning the Noah Story WT Style

by Farkel 39 Replies latest watchtower beliefs

  • euripides
    euripides

    The WT always manages to put its own perverse imprimatur on Bible stories, the larger mythology of Gen 1-11. Hell, they manage to corrupt and twist just about every story throughout the Bible. That was one of my goals of seeking higher education after I left--some while I was there--which was to discover the "real" (read:scholarly, non-literal) interpretation of these stories. And the Noah story is one of the most fascinating, because at its heart it strikes a resonant chord in human psychology. There is some reason the story of a vast flood keeps coming up in ancient mythology, and the answer isn't that it is an echo of a real event. Rather, it demonstrates a universality of a certain issue or question, like, What if somebody had to start this all over again? I have pasted some notes from a Bible class I teach (you can be sure that there is no WT spin in my class) and my goal now is to find some use in the story in the text itself--not to allow these stories to be co-opted by a twisted and literalist fundamentalist approach which starts with answers it needs and goes hunting for defenses where they don't exist in the text.

    One issue I will address is the real (read scholarly) understanding of Ham's egregious act. Notice I said, Act, because the text says, when Noah came to and saw what Ham had "Done to him" not just seen something. Apparently the editor/redactor of the final version of the story we have did not understand the idiom "saw his father's nakedness" or otherwise misapplied it. Leviticus' uses of this idiom in Hebrew reveal it to mean a violation of a man's wife.

    Lev 18:8The nakedness of thy father's wife shalt thou not uncover: it [is] thy father's nakedness.

    Lev 20:11And the man that lieth with his father's wife hath uncovered his father's nakedness: both of them shall surely be put to death; their blood [shall be] upon them.

    Seems obvious in retrospect, doesn't it? For the purpose of the story Noah's drunkenness allows him to be in a stupor so as not to be aware of the violation or do anything about it. Perhaps it was a moral tale connected to the drunkenness of Lot and his subsequent incest moment, although nowhere in the Levitical law is a father sleeping with his daughter prohibited. Son with mother, yes, father with daughter, no, although the dowry would evidently be devalued. Thus in the original story Ham is guilty of an incest violation, and Canaan is the product of the violation, which explains why Noah curses Canaan. But, I emphasize, this is the realm of myth and like all myths these stories serve to signify something other than reality. Of course, as noted below, it is a polemic against the Canaanites to accuse them of being descendents of an incestuous union in primordial time.

    The final word on WT ideology is that it can equip you with enough false information to know what issues to challenge within each story, as if to say, OK, you say this is what is significant, yet I say, that's not at all what the story siginifies, and here's why. I got more milaege out of WT misinformation driving me to a Master's degree that it was as if I could not slake my thirst for knowledge. I had Greek, Hebrew, Latin, and still I wanted more. For without arming yourself with the correct information, they hold a certain power, the power of their own lie, which corrupts totally.

    If somw of these notes read as technical, I apologize, the class has been going for some time now and occasionally shorthand terminology is used. I will answer any questions though and welcome your thoughts.

    Euripides

    NOTES:

    One model of viewing the structure of
    > the first eleven chapters of Genesis is in the form
    > of Gen 1 - 2:4a as a Prologue to the Primeval
    > History, setting the context and content of
    > creation. Following this Prologue are stories as
    > four cycles that are a re-casting of the four
    > seasonal cycles transformed into a pre-historical
    > context. Each cycle (Gen 3 [Adam & Eve], Gen 4
    > [Cain & Abel], Gen 6 - 9 [Noah & the Flood] & Gen 11
    > [the Tower of Babel]) consists of the brokenness of
    > relation, accountability to actions, and redemption
    > as assurance of continued life. Interspersed
    > between the 2nd and 3rd cycle is an Interlude of the
    > genealogy of Cain & Seth (1:18-26), followed by a
    > second Interlude, the genealogy of Adam & Noah
    > (5:1-32, with Enoch taken up by God). Between the
    > 3rd and last cycle is a third Interlude of the Sons
    > of Noah (9:18-28) and a fourth Interlude, the
    > Peopling of the Earth (10:1-32). Following the 4th
    > cycle is a last Interlude as the genealogy of Shem.
    > Following this last of the five genealogical
    > Interludes, the pre-historical cyclical events break
    > into the linear journey of Abraham and Sarah into
    > "historical time."
    >
    >
    >
    > The story of Noah and the Flood is a merging of "J"
    > (dated to the 10th-century BCE) and "P" (dated to
    > the 6th-century BCE) texts with roots extending to
    > the Sumerian period (ca. 3,000 BCE);
    >
    > 1.. The Prologue (3:1-10) is enigmatic in biblical
    > scholarship. It appears to be an echo of a previous
    > mythos that lingered in the "J" text. It also seems
    > to be a restatement of the longing of humanity to
    > achieve immortality, by linking "the divine beings"
    > (sons of God) with the daughters of men, implying
    > some sort of divine longevity. However, vs. 3, a
    > statement of human life-span expectancy (re: an echo
    > of being driven out of the Garden of Eden), is an
    > intrusive insertion into the fabric of the original
    > story of the Nephilim, "the Fellers," those who
    > cause one to fall off or diminish. Noah, like Enoch
    > (5:24), "walked with God," ending the essentially
    > "J" text with a "P" conclusion.
    > 2.. Gen 6:11-22 is a "P" text, with God = Elohim
    > as the marker, plus the intense attention to detail
    > (vs. 14-16), and Noah doing as God commands (vs.
    > 22). The main twist to this story drawn from
    > earlier ones is the replacement of the whimsy or
    > conniving of the deities to sadness and regret of
    > God (6:7 indicating destruction of the contents of
    > the cosmos) or the disdain for the corruption
    > (perhaps the consequences of wrong choices) of the
    > earth itself and all living things (6:11-13
    > destroying the cosmos as well as the contents).
    > Noah is commanded to take into the ark his family
    > and two of all living creatures.
    > 3.. The "J" text has Noah taking seven pairs of
    > clean animals and two of unclean (7:2-3), revealing
    > the existence of the Mosiac tradition in its
    > writing. "P" picks up the thread in vs. 6 with a
    > contradiction of the "J" animal sorting by restating
    > just two of each kind (vs. 8-9 & 15). The remainder
    > of Chapter 7 is essentially "P" (with the obvious
    > exception of vs. 16b being a "J") to the extent the
    > text can be sorted with certainty. Given the
    > liturgical (that is repetitious) nature of the
    > passages, describing the ordeal of water chaos
    > falling through the firmament (rain) and bursting
    > from the ground (as a river would flood), destroying
    > all that was created, the inclination toward this
    > being a "P" text is possible.
    > 4.. "P" continues in 8:1-14 in the closure of the
    > chaos and the reclaiming the earth. 8:15-19 is a
    > moment of re-creation with all in the ark released
    > to a new earth, ending the "P" portion. The "J"
    > (with LORD = Adonai as the marker) tells of Noah
    > offering a sacrifice to God (hence the need for more
    > clean animals; perhaps the "P" text is a polemic
    > since only the Priests offer sacrifices, therefore
    > only two of every kind) clearly revealing a "J"
    > anthropomorphic God "smelling" the "pleasing odor,"
    > and thereby swearing never to "doom the earth
    > because of man" even though "the devisings of man's
    > mind are evil" (not the nature of humanity)
    > indicating perhaps an echo of knowing of the
    > limitlessness of knowledge but retaining the flaw of
    > fallibility and vulnerability. The Chapter ends
    > with a poem that may be older than the written text.
    > 5.. The "P" text in 9:1-7 is a rephrasing of the
    > earlier "be fruitful and multiply" command, and the
    > admonition not to do one thing (as in the original):
    > "You must not, however, eat flesh with its
    > life-blood in it" (vs. 4). This is followed by the
    > command applicable to animals as well as humans.
    > Then an enigmatic poem suggesting an eye for an eye
    > with a curious ending about humans in the image of
    > God (vs. 6).
    > 6.. The "P" text continues in 9:8-17 with an
    > expansion of the original covenant only with Noah
    > (6:18) to include all humanity and "all flesh that
    > is on the earth" (vs. 17), symbolized by the
    > rainbow.
    > 7.. The sons of Noah (Shem, Ham and Japheth) are
    > restated for the fourth of five times in 9:18 (also
    > 5:32, 6:10 and 7:13, and again in 10:1) to indicate
    > national or racial origins. Shem probably is the
    > mythical source of the Semites. Ham is identified
    > as the source of the Canaanites. Japheth is
    > problematic, but probably the source of Africans,
    > both Mediterranean and sub-Saharan.
    > 8.. Ham becomes the target of an egregious
    > indiscretion. This is not surprising since Canaan,
    > taken over by the Israelites in the "J" period,
    > probably still has pockets of remnant populations of
    > Canaanites as a thorn in the national side. Given
    > 9:20-27 is a "P" text, however, it is probably a
    > specific reference to those non-Israelites who
    > replaced the population of Judah after the forced
    > evacuation into Exile by the Babylonians. The text
    > is evasive as to Ham's indiscretion. The phrase
    > "saw his father's nakedness" in vs. 22 is a veiled
    > (more specifically, a backward cloaking) reference
    > to Ham sleeping with Noah's wife, his mother.
    > Clearly this is a polemic against the Canaanites as
    > bastards born from an incestuous relationship.
    > Hence, the command that Canaanites be slaves to both
    > the progeny of Shem and Japheth.
    >
    >
    > The conversations that occurred during the reading
    > included the following.
    >
    > 1.. The fact that "J" texts were retained by the
    > "P" authors and editors meant an adoration of the
    > earlier literature, holding it to be sacred, and
    > therefore untouchable. As is typical for the later
    > editors, the task was to weave relevant contemporary
    > texts and stories into the older fabric without
    > violating the sacredness of the originating body of
    > literature. Communal identity was at stake, and in
    > the ancient world, the older the tradition, the more
    > sacred and respected. This was one reason the
    > Romans allowed special dispensations to the Judeans,
    > because everyone knew Moses pre-dated Plato.
    > 2.. The most disturbing aspect of the story of
    > Noah and the Flood is the apparent cruelty of God.
    > Perhaps looking at the story from a humanistic
    > rather than theistic point of view, the "cruelty" is
    > a consequence of the choices made by humans. The
    > consequences of wrong choices jeopardizes both the
    > social and cosmic order, as was believed in ancient
    > times, and continues to this day with the ecology
    > replacing references to God. This aspect of
    > consequences of choice is reinforced as the
    > prominent theme beginning with the eating of the
    > fruit of the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil
    > and continued in the cyclical stories as offered
    > above. In our present day, we've disconnected the
    > relationship between social and cosmic order.
    > However, that social/cosmic order is referred to in
    > today's religious language as the establishment of
    > universal peace and justice, a concept used by the
    > ancient Israelites. The brokenness of human and
    > social relationships is perhaps "the devisings of
    > man's mind are evil" (with the key word being
    > "devisings") not that humans are evil, since all
    > were created in the image of God. In a subsistence
    > environment, natural calamities were seen as an
    > effect based upon a cause - usually the displeasure
    > of the deities due to human error and evil.
    > 3.. The question of why water the instrument of
    > destruction may reside in the paradoxical nature of
    > the medium. In a subsistence environment, water is
    > a precious and valuable giver of life. Without it,
    > all life would perish. Yet, with the lingering
    > memories of the previous cultures in Mesopotamia
    > (the land between two rivers, Tigris and Euphrates)
    > where irrigation was the key to survival, when
    > abundant snow melts would come crashing down the
    > river channels, all was destroyed. Water then had
    > the paradox of life giving and life taking. This
    > paradoxical image persists in the "P" texts, due to
    > the close contact to the generating mythos extant in
    > Babylon during the Exile.
    > 4.. Another generating mythos is the story of the
    > flood in the Sumerian "Epic of Gilgamesh." This
    > myth is the framework upon which the "P" text hangs.
    > Portions are verbatim. The protagonist,
    > Utnapishtim, is changed to Noah, and the cause of
    > the Flood is altered from the whimsy of the deities
    > to the regret and sorrow illustrated above. It is
    > interesting that because of Utnapishtim's devotion,
    > he and his wife are granted immortality. The most
    > the "P" could do with Noah was to say he "walked
    > with God," as did Enoch, but died and was not "taken
    > up" by God.
    > 5.. All of creation is encapsulated in the Ark in
    > the midst of chaos/water - humans, animals and
    > plants for food ("For your part, take everything
    > that is eaten and store it away, to serve as food
    > for you and for them" [6:21]). The essence of
    > creation is all that remains after the Flood. (Some
    > wise children will always ask, "What about the
    > fish?" which are obviously omitted because water is
    > their element of survival.) The time during the
    > Flood is approximately nine months, an obvious
    > relation to human gestation. There then followed 40
    > days for the earth to dry before a new creation
    > emerges from the Ark - a new birth of creation out
    > of the Ark as the womb. It was observed in the
    > conversation that for something new to have meaning,
    > something from the past must be preserved - in this
    > case the contents of the Ark being the contents of a
    > new creation.
    > 6.. The image of the Flood is a limited one
    > geographically. It is not presenting the entire
    > globe of the earth inundated with unimaginable
    > amounts of water. Even though there is many flood
    > stories in many cultures around the world, each
    > story is generated by a specific geographic center -
    > the known "world" to the peoples in the immediate
    > region. In terms of the human condition, a
    > catastrophic flood would wipe out both the physical
    > "world" and the psychological "world" of a specific
    > geographical location. With the "P" text borrowing
    > significantly from the earlier mythos, the mountains
    > of Ararat (8:4; note the plural) were the highest
    > known points in their "world."
    > 7.. The "P" authors and editors may have devised
    > the four pre-historical cycles to illustrate the
    > failure of fulfilling the promise of Israel. The
    > message is one of hope - that out of the chaos of a
    > devastating defeat at the hands of the Babylonians,
    > will come redemption in the form of a new nation of
    > Israel. With "P" determination and zeal, not to
    > mention perseverance, this time "We'll get it
    > right!" Well, maybe - since subsequent history
    > shows otherwise. Perhaps these stories of the angst
    > of the human condition can continue to speak to us
    > today. Such periodic celebrations as Yom Kippur are
    > a reminder of these pre-historic cycles and our
    > daily cycles.
    >

  • Narkissos
    Narkissos

    Welcome Euripides,

    Interesting stuff. I was somewhat reluctant at first to your suggestion of interpreting "see the nudity" (r'h `erwah) in Genesis 9 along the line of "uncover the nudity" (glh `erwah) in Leviticus (btw it is part of the WT interpretation as far as I remember), but this might play a role in the pre-history of the text after all (especially as I would not date "J" as early as you do, but that's another subject). And the use of glh (hitpael) in v. 21 (Noah uncovered himself) might be a hint in that direction...

    I wondered if there might be an echo of something like that in non-biblical jewish texts, but I didn't find anything. Only a completely different explanation of Canaan's curse in Jubilees 10:

    1. And Ham and his sons went into the land which he was to occupy, which he acquired as his portion in the land of the south. And Canaan saw the land of Lebanon to the river of Egypt, that it was very good, and he went not into the land of his inheritance to the west (that is to) the sea, and he dwelt in the land of Lebanon, eastward and westward from the border of Jordan and from the border of the sea. And Ham, his father, and Cush and Mizraim his brothers said unto him: 'Thou hast settled in a land which is not thine, and which did not fall to us by lot: do not do so; for if thou dost do so, thou and thy sons will fall in the land and (be) accursed through sedition; for by sedition ye have settled, and by sedition will thy children fall, and thou shalt be rooted out for ever. Dwell not in the dwelling of Shem; for to Shem and to his sons did it come by their lot. Cursed art thou, and cursed shalt thou be beyond all the sons of Noah, by the curse by which we bound ourselves by an oath in the presence of the holy judge, and in the presence of Noah our father.' But he did not harken unto them, and dwelt in the land of Lebanon from Hamath to the entering of Egypt, he and his sons until this day. And for this reason that land is named Canaan.

    I hope you'll enjoy this board as much as I do. There are quite a few people here whose interest for the Biblical texts outlived the sour JW experience.

  • XQsThaiPoes
    XQsThaiPoes

    I think this whole sad JW life would be a lot easier to take if we were allowed to get hammered and naked once in a while, but alas, no we are not.

    Actuall an elder we know did that on one of those JW cruise trips, um when he return he was nolonger an elder. Hmm... I am trying to find the down side.

  • ezekiel3
    ezekiel3

    This transcript of a audio tape just found on Mount Ararat!

    Noah: Shem! Stop painting Japeth with that tar, he'll never look like Ham and you know it!! I'm sorry what were you saying?

    Nephilim: Well, I'm really sorry my dad's a demon and all, but I was thinking about what you said about the "flood-thing" and I'd like to get on the ark.

    Noah: Uh, right. Well, let me check if we've got room. How tall are you?

    Nephilim: About 9 feet, why?

    Noah: Hold on. Hey, Ham! Do we have room in the Ark for a really big guy on the large mammal deck?

    Ham (yelling from inside the ark): Are you kidding! I just got the elephants in here and I still have to figure out how to keep the hippos watered!

    Noah: Shem put that tar down and check for room in the insect compartment.

    Shem: Geez, Dad. Do you know how hard it is to keep track of knats?! There's only two of them, do you know how long it took for me to count 8 million different species?! What if he steps on 'em, how am I gonna know?

    Noah: Ham is there any chance we could make room in our quarters for this guy?

    Ham: Hell no, big man like that with our wives while we're off feeding the animals? I don't think so.

    Noah: Listen mister, I don't think we can help you. I know I was preachin at you and all, but it was more of a disclaimer, so that after a few thousand years God can say "I killed everything lI created because it was bad, but I won't take the blame because Noah told everyone they were going to die." I'm sure you realize, to fit you in the ark would...take a miracle!

  • Farkel
    Farkel

    Sigh. Too many people missed the point of my thread and went off on their own tangents. Such people should start new topics and elucidate all with their knowledge on topics that THEY start.

    Nothing can derail a thread with a simple theme more than folks who forget the simple theme and add stuff that is not relevant to THIS THREAD.

    This is common board etiquette, folks.

    Farkel

  • euripides
    euripides

    Well Farkel it seems that one of your main points was the WT spin on what a "preacher of righteousness" is, as well as the fact that that persona of Noah is derived from 2 Peter and not from the Genesis account, and also how "they took no note" from Matthew 24 dies not in fact suggest a failure to heed but rather a complete ignorance. REgarding the word used in 2 Peter for preacher or herald

  • euripides
    euripides

    Well Farkel it seems that one of your main points was the WT spin on what a "preacher of righteousness" is, as well as the fact that that persona of Noah is derived from 2 Peter and not from the Genesis account, and also how "they took no note" from Matthew 24 dies not in fact suggest a failure to heed but rather a complete ignorance. REgarding the word used in 2 Peter for preacher or herald

  • euripides
    euripides

    Regarding the word used in 2 Peter for preacher or herald

  • euripides
    euripides

    Apparently some of my keystrokes were derailing the message, my apologies... Regarding the word used in 2 Peter for preacher or herald [kerux, keruka] it does indeed to one who makes a public proclamation, a messenger. What Noah's message was in the mind of the author of 2 Peter is anybody's guess, but it would fit the usual apocalypitc mentality to see him as a herlad of the last days before destruction, just as WT sees itself. This interpretation fits squarely with how WT sees itself in everything, itself a fulfillment of prophecy and foreordained by God. As far as Matthew 24 goes, another listmember had accurately pointed out that the verb used there means to understand [egnosen], as in "They did not understand" when the flood came, which I would understand to mean that they had no idea what was happening to them, or, in the context of Matthew 24, the author of the gospel insinuates that Jesus is alluding to the ignorance of those not availed of the inside knowledge of Jesus etc. etc. in their parallel current events. And why shouldn't every Bible story conveniently demarcate and justify the WT organization's modus operandi? It takes a lot of work to appropriate and retool every passage and story to have a particular spin which is both counterintuitive yet compelling, simplistic yet dangerous. Euripides

  • VM44
    VM44

    What does the original Hebrew words really say? The words the WT translates as "preacher of righteousness"? --VM44

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