Spinning the Noah Story WT Style

by Farkel 39 Replies latest watchtower beliefs

  • Bubbamar

    I get your point Farkle - and it's an excellent point. I guess if they didn't extrapolate from scriptures they would run out of things to write in their WT magazines.

    My mom told me that after Adam ate of the fruit, Jehovah NEVER spoke to him again. I sent her a copy of the actual scriptures and challenged her. I say - Jehovah made leather garments for them - sounds kind of nice to me. Where does she get the idea the God quit speaking to adam. Pure JW extrapolation - to justify their evil DF doctine.

    Sorry - I'm off topic a bit. It just really gets me - they really believe all that crap - crap that's nowhere to be found in the Bible -- without of course a series of twisted mental gymnastics.

  • iiz2cool

    Considering the level of technology of the time, I wonder how many man-hours it would have taken to build such a structure. Noah still had to provide for the everyday needs of his family, which I'm sure was a full time job. How could a handfull of people work for their everyday needs, build an ark, and still have time to preach from hut to hut? And considering they weren't instructed to preach, why would they? Were they still full of energy after all their labour?? I doubt it.

    I wondered about this a few times when I was a JW, about where the WTS got the idea that Noah took time out to preach. The bible doesn't support it, as Farkel has shown.

    It's just one more way for them to manipulate their own members into going out in service?.


  • Balsam

    I used to sit at the KH listening to my then Elder husband give the talk about Noah and the flood. Giving all the details of how it took 40 years to build. Well I would sit there and wonder how the timber and tar they used 40 years earlier was holding up by the time the finished the whole thing. Wouldn't they have had to go back and redo places that say got termites in the wood, or where the tar had dried out and broke off. I remember asking my husband about that and he said of Jehovah just kept all the work on the ark fresh and didn't let the termites eat it or the tar become dryed out to cracking. Just like he had the shoes and clothes of the Isrealites didn't wear out over their 40 year trek across to the promised land in the desert.

    Well I thought about that and said so why didn't Jehovah just make the ark appear all finished load everyone up and off they all went with out all the hassle. Well I was informed God does not do it the easy way. I said Why? He is God Almighty, why does he make everything hard on humans? And why did he want to destroy all those people in Noah day because they were eating, marrying, and drinking and enjoying life. Well I got some dirty looks and was told I needed to do some bible study. No one could answer those questions. And none of the publications addressed my thoughts.

    JW love to use the Noah and the Ark story to teach that Christians today need to preach. I doesn't say anywhere he went out to the people and preached them. Only that he was a preacher of righteousness. Thanks for those thoughts Farkel.


  • undercover
    *** jv 14 1 Why Should Jehovah Have Witnesses? *** In contrast, ?Noah was a righteous man,? one who ?proved himself faultless among his contemporaries.? (Gen. 6:9) He demonstrated his submission to God?s sovereignty by doing ?just as God commanded.? (Gen. 6:22) Acting in faith, he ?constructed an ark for the saving of his household.? (Heb. 11:7) But Noah was more than a builder; as ?a preacher [or herald] of righteousness,? he warned of the coming destruction. (2 Pet. 2:5) Despite Noah?s bold witnessing, however, that wicked generation ?took no note until the flood came and swept them all away.??Matt. 24:37-39.

    The high-lighted quote from Matt 24: 37-39 is from the NWT.

    Notice how the New International Version quotes it:

    37 As it was in the days of Noah, so it will be at the coming of the Son of Man. 38 For in the days before the flood, people were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, up to the day Noah entered the ark; 39 and they knew nothing about what would happen until the flood came and took them all away. That is how it will be at the coming of the Son of Man.

    King James Version:

    37 But as the days of Noah were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
    38 For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark,
    39 And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

    New American Standard:

    37 "For the (48) coming of the Son of Man will be (49) just like the days of Noah.
    38 "For as in those days before the flood they were eating and drinking, (50) marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that (51) Noah entered the ark,
    39 and they did not understand until the flood came and took them all away; so will the (52) coming of the Son of Man be.

    If you go to the Interlinear Bible that the WTS used to print(the purple bible with Greek) and look at the direct Greek to English translation it says "they did not know" but in the column on the right where the NWT version is printed it says, "they took no note".

    Another example of the WTS twisting the scriptures to try to prove their doctrine that Noah preached to his contemporaries and they had a chance to survive as opposed to what the Bible actually says that they did not know what was happening.

  • Will Power
    Will Power

    undercover: the NWT quote is not so far off the rest of the translations - it is what the WT prints before & after the little snippets that add to it to morph its meaning.

    This is so common in their stuff - that is why so many witnesses think that Jesus himself has stated the generation of 1914 blurb.

    Theocratic strategically placed " "


  • willyloman
    the Watchtower Making-Up-Shit Corporation has no peers

    Thank you Farkel for clearing that up.

  • undercover
    the NWT quote is not so far off the rest of the translations - it is what the WT prints before & after the little snippets that add to it to morph its meaning.

    The quotes are not so far off but at the same time are worlds apart. The actual quote of "...took no note" compared to "...did not know" changes the meaning entirely. "Took no note" is to imply that they knew, they just didn't care to change their ways or seek salvation. "They did not know" means, well, they didn't know. One version said "they did not understand". If one did not understand or not even know, then Noah wasn't much of a preacher of righteousness.

    This dishonesty is compounded by the fact that the WTS prints these "little snippets" before and after to alter the meaning to further their own crusade.

  • Will Power
    Will Power

    you're right on that one under....and :

    "they did not understand".......

    don't forget Noah didn't have the WTs to place and use as study "guides" - no wonder the eating & drinking ones were in the dark.

    lol will

  • Farkel

    Excellent work, Undercover!

    Not to take us off topic, but ever-so-slight twisting of the translation of a text can and does slant things towards the WTS doctrine. WTS: first make-up doctrine, then make up scriptures that support that doctrine.

    A classic case in point is John 17:3. The WTS has made it appear that "taking in knowledge" (i.e. reading books by a book publishing corporation) is what is necessary to gain everlasting life. All other Bible translations use a phrase that connotes the idea of "knowing God" is necessary for everlasting life. This WT twisting is NOT a distinction without a difference. You can learn by reading everything there is to learn about me, but does that mean you actually KNOW me? You only have knowledge about me, but you certainly do not know me, and all the reading about me in the world will not enable you to know me.

    The traditional rendering of John 17:3 encourages people to become intimate with God and the nature of God. The WTS rendering of John 17:3 encourages a STUDY of their version of God using the books that they sell and makes it an endless task for their followers. Yet, the irony is their book-learnin' about God does nothing whatsoever in creating a personal relationship with their God. Most dubs are terrified of WatchowerGod(tm).


  • itsallgoodnow

    I think this whole sad JW life would be a lot easier to take if we were allowed to get hammered and naked once in a while, but alas, no we are not.

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