Store manager fired for foiling robbery

by Big Tex 38 Replies latest social current

  • czarofmischief
    czarofmischief
    Why do YOU think Americans kill each other so much?

    To be honest, I really don't know. Entertainment is part of it - but the media is a reflection of the American psyche, not a producer of it. Racism is part of it - but it tends to be an outward expression of existing anger (it's an excuse.) Bluntly, I don't want to be unarmed in the same town populated by my countrymen. We're almost Klingon... If you lived in America, you might consider purchasing a firearm... it's just how it is. Of course, lots of us don't. It isn't exactly Baghdad. It certainly isn't Tokyo. What is it? (It's a country where the blacks in the South were banned from owning firearms for a long period of time... for a very simple and horrible reason - it made it easier for the KKK to do their thing. (A concrete example of gun control being used to kill people.)

    There are many different attitudes, of course. I'm not even speaking generally for all Americans. I'm speaking for my kind. I'm a bit more literate and educated than most; but I find myself in agreement with a certain brand of American more often than not... At least I know I'm not alone.

    Our comedies are based on anger, almost exclusively revolving around sarcasm. Our tragedies tend to fixate on violent revenge or explosive endings. Our horror films are based on helplessness in the face of violent predators. Our heroes are immune to pain. Our heroes are the gunslingers; not the pacifists. This is not a cause of the attitude, it is a reflection of it.

    Could it be our lower class pedigrees - the mutts of Europe, Africa and elsewhere? Flouridated water? Drawstring garbage bags? Ketchup in packets versus bottles? The threat of nuclear annihilation? Being blamed for everything that is wrong in the world? Most of our ancestors came here to escape being criminals in Europe (Even ye olde Puritans, whose dark obsessions with witchcraft invoke that spectre of the public hanging). But Australia was populated with the worst convicts - and they aren't as violently obsessed as we are. Maybe we have dark memories, Jungian archetypes, of the aristocratic oppressor lording it over us and our families, leaving us with the horrible rage of the traumatized abuse victim lashing out, over and over again.

    We are obsessed with the "can do". This often leads to ideas or attempts that seem grandiose to others. Moon landings... (Mars?) Wars. Always wars. Injun hunting.

    We are often a cruel people. We have little sympathy for the failures of others. Mercy is not something we are fond of. Weakness should be overcome; our papers are full of stories of handicapped ones who "overcome" their disabilities. We aren't extremely interested in coddling those who choose to wallow in their weaknesses. There is a national contempt for all those who show weakness in the face of oppression. That's why we can't imagine backing down. Why Kerry is a traitor for what he said when he came back from the war.

    I have noticed that we ignore that which we disagree with. Nonresponse generally means disagreement, not tacit agreement as in other countries (I think???).

    Tend to be religious fanatics? I don't know what your definition of fanatic is - please elaborate. Most folks I know don't really believe in anything much. We tend to look down on and mock those who speak of Jesus as if he was in the room. But on the other hand, we all pray... shrug... and we generally don't trust somebody who refuses to believe in ANYTHING higher than themselves.

    We were founded by a bunch of slaveowners who were obsessed with the Roman Republic. Maybe we have some of that 2000 year old karma lingering around us. Hubris. Nimrod loving Masons finally got to create their own nation and wow! It's proud, violent, pragmatic and grandiose....

    And I love the place. It's like being high on speed or something.

    CZAR

  • czarofmischief
    czarofmischief

    coda - we commit suicide at a phenomenal rate, too.

    Just like Nimrod.

    CZAR

  • frenchbabyface
    frenchbabyface

    Well he is better out of than In somehow (if he feels that robbers might retaliate on him.

    Now being fired ... Well that's an other story ... (give him the same job somewhere else as an exchange with an other one, is an idea, in telling him well next time just follow the rules) cause it's not only about him it's about the other employees (do they agree about the risks he takes - for/against all of them ?)

    Also this is a advertising like : Come over here to robb our stores we'll give you whatever you want no resistance here !!! (I don't understand exactly what it is all about ... internal rule yes why not in case of real danger, advertising no ...)

  • Navigator
    Navigator

    The store manager probably would have followed LJS company policy if he hadn't been marched to the back of the store. He had every reason to think that he and the rest of the staff would be murdered to prevent the robbers from being identified. What he did was courageous. The LJS corporate leaders are really a bunch of jerks. In the case Big Tex mentioned about the Benigans waitress that was killed in the parking lot running after a bunch of kids "walking their tab", the reason she did that was because of the dumb corporate policy in Bennigan's of making the wait staff responsible for people who walk their tabs. Not many waitresses could absorb a $100 plustab. I wouldn't be surprised to see Benigans sued over this dumb policy by the parents of the waitress.

  • frenchbabyface
    frenchbabyface

    Nav : the reason she did that was because of the dumb corporate policy in Bennigan's of making the wait staff responsible for people who walk their tabs. Not many waitresses could absorb a $100 plustab. I wouldn't be surprised to see Benigans sued over this dumb policy by the parents of the waitress.

    Wow that's terrible !!! (it should be shared by the whole staff and at least 50 % by the company itself - so everybody would responsible about the means, the hows and the when necessary)

    to run after a car (???) she probably needed that money so bad that she didn't think (stress) about that it was too late anyway somehow ) And to kill somebody for a 100 $ bill is just awfull !!! It's sade.

  • Billygoat
    Billygoat
    In the case Big Tex mentioned about the Benigans waitress that was killed in the parking lot running after a bunch of kids "walking their tab", the reason she did that was because of the dumb corporate policy in Bennigan's of making the wait staff responsible for people who walk their tabs. Not many waitresses could absorb a $100 plustab. I wouldn't be surprised to see Benigans sued over this dumb policy by the parents of the waitress.

    I hate to say this, but if the parents sue, they'll probably lose. Every restaurant I waited tables at had the same policy. And I waited tables for 8 plus years. When you're a waiter, more often than not, you are also the cashier. You make change for every ticket you sell that night. I realize most waitresses cannot absorb that type of loss in an evening, but if I ever wanted to be dishonest and just keep an extra $100 that night from a ticket I DID get paid on, who is responsible then? How does the management prove when an employee really gets walked out on versus when they are being dishonest? It's a catch 22 for companies like Bennigan's.

  • frenchbabyface
    frenchbabyface

    BillyGoat : but if I ever wanted to be dishonest and just keep an extra $100 that night from a ticket I DID get paid on, who is responsible then? How does the management prove when an employee really gets walked out on versus when they are being dishonest?

    right ... BUT : they migt try more than once ... but then it's a bit too much to believe them as they don't keep the money or as they are good enough for the job ... and food doesn't cost that much, it's the service (human ressources) that cost the most so instead of asking to pay the bill maybe count 20 minutes or so of an hour off the service he/she would have to be pay about as an equivalency ...) I mean there must be a solution ... They can't just put all the blame and the consequences on the waiteresses ...

  • mkr32208
    mkr32208

    As too why americans are so violent I think there are lots of reason's.

    I think capitilism and democracy breed violence. These systems require people to feel that they are better than everyone around them, it's required. Thats the only way that you can condone stepping on peoples backs to "make it."

    Communism and Socialism require you to feel that everyone around you is better than you. Not equal if they were equal then you wouldn't be required to give them any of your wages.

    Also the US is a country founded on violence it's entire history is nothing but violence... as someone in the law enforcement field i would LOVE for there to be less guns on the street but the reality in America is that if they don't have guns they use knives, no knives they use clubs, no clubs they use ANYTHING. It's simply a violent socity on the most basic levels. Even people who say they would never hurt a fly regularly shoot the bird at people, cut people off yell and curse at people while driving... violence is EVERYWHERE here.

    Don't think that europe is safe either as more counties become capitalist and more "free" the violence begins to rise. Compare statistics from 20 years ago to today and see if I'm not right!

  • Abaddon
    Abaddon

    czar

    Flouridated water? Drawstring garbage bags? Ketchup in packets versus bottles? The threat of nuclear annihilation? Being blamed for everything that is wrong in the world?

    None of that; the difference in murder rates is ovber a hundred years old.

    Most of our ancestors came here to escape being criminals in Europe

    Incorrect, or at least incorrect under any meaningful definition of 'criminal'. I don't particularly like organised religion, but I certainly don't consider it a crime; seekers of religious freedom and economic refugees are the two main 'seed groups' of the USA. It's not like Australia.

    Maybe we have dark memories, Jungian archetypes, of the aristocratic oppressor lording it over us and our families, leaving us with the horrible rage of the traumatized abuse victim lashing out, over and over again.

    Oh come on...

    Nonresponse generally means disagreement, not tacit agreement as in other countries (I think???).

    I've noticed this.

    I think that it's because the US is historically violent and it's ascendent social philosophy is a very harsh one. And you're the first person to even really try to answer that question; it's not a pleasent one to answer, for sure.

    mkr

    As too why americans are so violent I think there are lots of reason's.

    I think capitilism and democracy breed violence. These systems require people to feel that they are better than everyone around them, it's required.

    I can understand you saying that about capitalism, but democracy? Please elaborate, perhaps giving refences that back-up you definiton of democracy requirements.

    Thats the only way that you can condone stepping on peoples backs to "make it."

    Again, this is capitalism, not democracy.

    Communism and Socialism require you to feel that everyone around you is better than you. Not equal if they were equal then you wouldn't be required to give them any of your wages.

    Errr... no they don't require 'you to feel that everyone around you is better than you'; again, I'd be fascinated to see you back up your statements regarding 'requirements' with references.

    Also the US is a country founded on violence it's entire history is nothing but violence... as someone in the law enforcement field i would LOVE for there to be less guns on the street but the reality in America is that if they don't have guns they use knives, no knives they use clubs, no clubs they use ANYTHING. It's simply a violent socity on the most basic levels. Even people who say they would never hurt a fly regularly shoot the bird at people, cut people off yell and curse at people while driving... violence is EVERYWHERE here.

    I also feel the disparity in murder rates is in large part due to the US, historically, being a more violent society.

    Don't think that europe is safe either as more counties become capitalist and more "free" the violence begins to rise. Compare statistics from 20 years ago to today and see if I'm not right!

    Hello, we invented Capitalism. There are more people in Europe living in free societies than there are in the USA, and there were more even before the fall of the Berlin wall. There have been raises in violent crime in the past 20 years, but you still pop each other off several times more often than Europeans; as I say above, the difference between murder rates in NYC and London is the same multiple it was over a hundred years ago.

    So no, we're not going to join you.

  • czarofmischief
    czarofmischief
    Incorrect, or at least incorrect under any meaningful definition of 'criminal'. I don't particularly like organised religion, but I certainly don't consider it a crime; seekers of religious freedom and economic refugees are the two main 'seed groups' of the USA. It's not like Australia.

    I certainly concur that your religious choice nor your social status make you a criminal in an absolute moral sense. I'm just pointing out that many of the religious types that founded this country had alienated themselves to the point of social ostracism and were often considered criminals in their home country. Puritans had worn out their welcome in ye olde England, for instance; and the earlier Pilgrims had a xenophobic reaction to living in Holland.

    Oh come on...

    Just a thought. I'm whistling in the dark, here. Of course, such a notion of emotions taking away from personal responsibility is the opposite of our mainstay ethos.

    So no, we're not going to join you.

    I assume you aren't counting such "anomalies" as the Balkan conflicts, Hitler, the Spanish Civil War... etc.. etc... etc... I mean, maybe we don't nationalize and industrialize our murders - maybe if we did we wouldn't have such a high "incidental" murder rate between civilians? Maybe because we have to go so far away to find a socially acceptable outlet for our homicidal instincts? Whereas all a Bosnian had to do was go next door and pop his neighbor and it still fell under "war"???

    CZAR

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