Kwan Yin

by Vivamus 22 Replies latest jw friends

  • Markfromcali

    It's easy to get stuck with the image, be it a beautiful goddess, a jovial fat man or anything else.

    But the simple and direct question is if she's a buddha, then what is a buddha? When asked if he was a saint, a god and the like, Gautama buddha said no. Upon being asked directly "What are you?" he said "I am awake." There's the idea of buddha from buddhism, and there is the direct answer from the horse's mouth.

  • Gretchen956
    but why encourage that consolation might come from a from a manmade goddess?

    People pray to their manmade god all the time. Why is this different?

    I remember reading about people who pray for the (for example) tornado to bypass their family so their house is spared but all the godfearing people in the next block have their houses demolished. How does that work, does the first prayer in get the blessing?

    Who cares what gender our god represents him/herself in to us personally. Spirituality and belief are deeply personal things. I'm sure you don't mean to mock.

    Bless you anyway mr. gumbified


  • BrendaCloutier

    Thank you for that. Buddah was an enlightened soul, and teaching enlightenment was his purpose on earth

    And to be awake, is to be aware...

    But what is awareness, enlightment, knowledge, without action?



  • Badger

    Amazing how our search for the divine takes so many turns...a fat man, A six-armed dancer, A Jewish Carpenter, A Kool-Aid server, a bunch of white guys in Brooklyn....

  • Xandria

    Never will I seek nor receive private, individual salvation; never will I enter into final peace alone; but forever and everywhere will I live and strive for the redemption of every creature throughout the world from the bonds of conditioned existence.

    Unconditional affirmation of the Kwan-Yin pledge can only come from the unconditional core of the human being. Words are uttered in time, and usually delimit meaning. They express thought, but they also obscure thought. To be able to use words in a manner that reaches beyond limits is to recognize prior to the utterance and to realize after the utterance that one is participating only on the plane of that which has a beginning and an end, though in emulation and celebration of that which is beginningless and endless. Every word and each day is like an incarnation. Silence and deep sleep convey an awareness of duration that cannot be inserted into ordinary time, but indicate the return to a primal sense of being where one is neither conditioned by nor identified with external events, memories, anticipations, likes and dislikes, hopes and fears, possibilities and limitations. Common speech and ordinary wakefulness, for most individuals, are but clouded mirrors dimly reflecting the resonance and radiance of spiritual wakefulness.

    Any sacred pledge may be uttered by a human being with a wavering mind and a fickle heart, but it can also be authentically affirmed in the name of the larger Self that is far beyond the utterance and the formulation, yet immanent in both. This is the time-honoured basis of religious rites, as well as the original source of civil laws. Emile Durkheim explained how early in the evolution of societies human beings learnt to transfer the potency of religious oaths to secular restraints and thereby established a high degree of reliability in human relationships.

    Mohandas Gandhi spoke of the sun, the planets and the mighty Himalayas as expressing the ultimate reliability of the universe, and taught that when human beings bind themselves by the power of a vow, they seek to become wholly reliable. If reliability essentially connotes a consistent standard of unqualified and unconditional success, then in taking a vow one is necessarily seeing beyond one's limitations. If one is wise one allows for the probability of failure and the possibility of forgetfulness, but somewhere deep in oneself one still wants to be measured and tested by that vow. Thereby a vow which is unconditional, which releases the spiritual will, calibrates one's highest self-respect and is vitally relevant to the mystery of self-transformation.

    The Kwan-Yin pledge is a Bodhisattvic vow taken on behalf of all living beings. It is closely connected with the bodhichitta, wisdom-seeking mind, the seed of enlightenment. The idea that an unenlightened human being can effectively generate a seed of enlightenment is the central assumption behind the compassionate teaching of Mahatmas and Bodhisattvas, of the Buddhas and Christs.

    A drop of water is suggestive of an ocean; a flashing spark or single flame is analogous to an ocean of light; the minuscule mirrors the large.

    Herein lies the hidden strength of the Kwan- Yin pledge. What may seem small from the standpoint of the personal self, when it is genuinely offered on behalf of the limitless universe of living beings and of all humanity past, present, and future can truly negate the finality of finitude, the ultimacy of what seems urgent, the immensity of what appears immediate. T

    The human mind ceaselessly creates false valuations, giving ephemera an excessive sense of reality, to uphold itself in a world of flux. To negate this tendency in advance and to assign reality only to the whole requires a profound mental courage. It requires, while one is alive, a recognition of the connection between the moment of birth and the moment of death, of the intimate relationship between the pain of one human being and the sorrow of all humanity. But it also involves a recognition that greater beings than oneself have taken precisely such a vow, have affirmed this pledge again and again. Therefore, one can invite oneself, however frail, however feeble, into the family of those who are the self-chosen, unacknowledged but unvanquished friends of the human race.

    Kwan Yin is a synchretic deity who stands at the meeting place of two great archetypal rivers: the very ancient Chinese Great Mother and the Bodhisattva of Compassion, who appears elsewhere as a masculine figure.

    She is also one of those very rare deities who quietly belong to several religions at once. Always changing, always Herself, her image can be seen on Buddhist shrines throughout the world as well as in Taoist places of worship. Her calm gaze watches over countless ancestors on Confucianist shrines in China, Shintoist shrines in Japan, often found close to Her own.

    As the Great Mother, ( Ancient Tribes worshiped the Great Mother Figure, giver of Life) Her compassion radiates in harmony with the blessings of Tibetan Tara, African Yemaya or South-American Virgén de Guadalupe.

    All over the world, women have always prayed to the Great Mother for the healing of a sick child or to find solace from life's troubles. Always She hears, and Her Presence consoles the griving, cools the burning brow, relieves the pain. Kwan Yin means "She who hears the cries of sentient beings."

    In Tibet, She becomes He: Chenrezig, "Loving Eyes". One of his representations shows him with a thousand arms forming a mandala around him in his endeavour to help all sentient beings who call for His help.

    In Her sanctuary, Kwan Yin awaits you. In Her hands she holds the vessel of nectar which She pours on the world's suffering. The wheel of Her mantra, Om Mani Padme Hum, revolves infinitely, emanating light in all directions. Take the time to bow before Her and allow your heart to express its sincere wish. Allow Her subtle presence to reach out to you.

    It's perfectly all right to ask for oneself, but isn't it even sweeter to ask for a loved one?

    Xandria .o0( Why do I feel like saying, "Snatch the pebble from my hand grasshopper." ?)

  • maybesbabies

    I learned of Kwan Yin from Rachel Naomi Remen, who wrote "My Grandfathers Blessings", etc., great books!! I had passed by her statues without a second thought, until I read that book....interesting...

  • Maverick

    Great stuff Viv, though my daughter would argue that Buddhism is a philosophy and not a religion. As for me I don't give a rats behind what catagory you put it in. mav

  • Vivamus

    Wow, thanx all for the additional info posted. I really like her, even printed her out and gave her a place in my home. She and a crucified guy are the only gods in my house tho ... i hope they get along

  • gitasatsangha


    I am also a practising Buddhist (of a sangha affilated with Community of Mindful Living), and the temple I usually go to is called Tu Vien Quan Am, I think that is the name of Kwan Yin in Vietnamese. The temple and monestary are primarilly used by Vietnamese Mahayana buddhists, but there are two English speaking sanghas that use the temple also.

    I may be wrong about that, because there was also a Vietnamese nun named Quan Am who I think some believe was a Boddhisatva. I am not sure. Anway, small world.

  • gumby

    Gee......cant you guys give an emotionally sick bastard like me a break an see that I was on my man period when I said that this morning? I was in a serious mood this morning and now that it's evening and I've had a couple of brewskies I feel like a a damn heathen scrooge bastard!!!!!!

    I also got a good brothetly love chewin by my bud in a PM whjo reminded me not to be a buthead and let people be with their feelings and beliefs if they harm nobody. He's correct.....I was just being to serious and my god anger thing let go a bit.

    Big hugs to ya Sirona from the Gumbastard.


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