A conversation with the folks... H E L P !

by talesin 24 Replies latest members private

  • talesin
    talesin

    Hi folks.

    Well, I don't usually talk about myself much, but I just had an experience today that was something that I think y'all could help me with, and maybe some of you could relate to.

    Those of you who have PM or e-d me, know that I am an open person. I just don't choose to talk about myself on the INTERNET (ie the DB), so I apologize to any who may feel I act either secretive or superior. I am just extremely cautious and it doesn't always come across that way.

    so, that being said,

    My mother and I were talking. My dad was there. She mentioned something about the JW, and I told her I knew already. She was surprised. So (and here is my first mistake), I told her that I know a *lot* of things, and I could tell her what she is going to learn at the upcoming convention. I read it on the internet.

    Oy! I know. DOH How To NOT Bring Up 'The Religion', In One Easy Lesson

    So then, she said "well, why don't you just come to the KH instead?". arrrrggghhhhh!!

    There was an explosion in my head! I had told them last year, and this is a quote, "respectfully, Hell will freeze over before I enter a KH. Let's not ever discuss it again."

    So, I calmly replied, "well, I have no interest in going and listening to a bunch of liars."

    OMG, the ship hit the sand!

    *from here on in, the quotes are more-or-less verbatim, with M (mom) and t (me)*

    M: "WHAT!!!"

    t: "look, I know all about the UN scandal. I saw the letter, I read the UN site."

    M: "Yes, we saw a picture of a forged letter, too. Lies, all lies."

    t: "No. I saw the site. It was the UN. They were an NGO for ten years. They claimed it was in order to get a library card. That's not true, almost anyone can get a library card."

    M: "Oh, well there's all kinds of lies on the internet." (note, one of their best friends is a programmer, and owns a computer business)

    t: "Oh, so you trust me to look up your prescriptions on the 'net, and advise you because you know I won't look at bogus sites, but you think I am stupid enough to not check the actual UN website?"

    M: "well ..."

    t: "And not only that (I look at my father, then back to her), I know about all the lawsuits by people who were molested and the elders covered it up."

    << now, just to let you know, my parents know that I was raped at 7, I hate pedophilia, I have worked on a rape crisis line, and I will FIGHT for the children! >>

    So, my father laughs uncomfortably, turns away.

    M: "We've heard about that. Garbage ..."

    t: "No, I've read the newspaper articles and the court transcripts."

    M: "It isn't true."

    t: "Well, you will find out when they win and the Society has to pay out millions of dollars to the survivors. Look, I have to get ready to go soon, let's not argue about it."

    M: "Yes."

    t: "kay, love you" (hugs)

    M: "I love you, too, dear." (hugs)

    Mind you, this was all said calmly, without anger but with passion. On both sides. That is the benefit of years of working on the relationship with my parents. Letting them know where I stand, yet being kind and empathetic, and at times, letting them have their delusions.

    Anyhow, when dad left me off at the bus stop, I said, "Just let mom know, if she's gonna push it, I will have to reply. She asked, and I answered. Love you." Dad smiled, nodded. He was comfortable with it. HE UNDERSTOOD.

    So, a long read, I know. But I hope you found it interesting, and maybe for some, enlightening.

    But pour mois, I am sad. Confused. Hopeful.

    Arrrrrrrhhh, I dunno what I'm doin'! (said in my *worst* Groundskeeper Willie voice)

    talesin

  • desib77
    desib77

    (((talesin))) You did a great job standing up for your beliefs. I usually back down from my mother and come away feeling sad and inferior.

    Desi

  • talesin
    talesin

    Thanks, desi. Though, I do feel very sad. To see them so deceived, the waste of lives is hard to take.

    : )

  • Sassy
    Sassy

    Awesome job talesin!! I wish I could be so courageious!!

  • codeblue
    codeblue

    I totally understand how you feel.

    Dealing with family members is difficult. I think your Mom and my sister are related. (what is your last name? lol)

    They are both in huge DENIAL as to what is a legitimate website and not. Of course, they are told at the meetings that the internet is full of apostates.

    When I said I saw it from the UN website...she said: NO...I know they weren't a member...you have to watch out for the apostates. I then said: why does the WTBS have a website if they don't want anyone to go to the internet??? She had that answer down pat: so they can say the truth. (ughhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh)

    My reply: well, then I guess the WTBS will be suing the UN if it ISN'T true.

    She didn't like that reply either.

    I am trying to fade...but some of their replies are sooooooo "stupid"...

    I think ya did a good job.

    Sorry about what happened to you at 7. That is horrible.

    There are newspaper articles all over the US showing the pedophiles in different JW Kh's.....The proof is in the "print"...

    Take care and many hugs to you,

    Codeblue

  • cyber-sista
    cyber-sista

    Talesin,

    I can feel your frustration. The wall the WT Org builds up around people is very thick and hard to penetrate. So frustrating as most of the posters here know. All I can say is that I am here and I understand. Otherwise, I am still trying to figure it out myself. Sometimes I just feel like shouting it out at them telling them about the evil Org that they are a part of, but many of the JWs members are very fragile too and I don't want to break them either if they aren't ready to see it. Just take it slow is the advice I seem to hear. Maybe one day they will wake up and see it for what it truly is.

    Love, cybs

  • Elsewhere
    Elsewhere

    Sounds like you handled yourself very well!

  • Shutterbug
    Shutterbug
    Sounds like you handled yourself very well!

    I agree with Elsewhere, you did handle yourself very well. Having some age myself, I can well understand how older folks might have a problem with facts or ideas that conflict with the things the wts has fed them. Also, no one wants to admit they are wrong. Keep being patient with your mom, at least she is talking to you. Bug

  • bebu
    bebu

    As tense as it was... I think you did very, very well!! You can't make an omelet without breaking a few eggs, and ... ...when the ship hit the sand, you were prepared not to be the one beached.

    (Hope you like your metaphors mixed! )

    There is all their insistence, with no proof for their explanations... their authority is actually built on rumor!

    Anyway... Chin up, tal!! Sounds like might be a little movement toward brain cell function here with your dad. The light getting brighter... I hope.

    bebu

  • Stefanie
    Stefanie

    I think so too!

    I would have lost my cool and raised my voice. Well done.

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