Hi all - another newbie!!!

by bull01lay 44 Replies latest jw friends

  • bull01lay
    bull01lay

    I've been reading the messages here for some time now, so decided it's about time I joined and said Hi!

    Especially hi to "LittleToe" - Hope you're doing well. Luv ya Bro!!

    Here's my sob story, and the reason for my general apathy towards religion, esp. JW's

    I was dragged up as a witness, kicking and screaming for the most part, but occasionally trying to 'make the truth my own' so to speak by baptism, occasional attempts at pioneering... At 18 I had my first 'real' girlfiend (no, not a spelling mistake, I mean girlfiend!!) and things moved pretty quickly, including sex before marriage, lying to parents / elders etc. so that we could marry at the Kingdom Hall. Also there started to be some pretty terrible arguments (only verbal at this point). I felt trapped now though; I didn't like the way the relationship was deterioratting, didn't have the courage to to walk away, didn't feel I could talk to anyone about it because of the deceit that I had been a willing partner to. So, we were married 10 days after my 19th birthday.

    Things deteriorated rapidly with our relationship, going from verbal to physical arguments. I called the police one night during a particularly nasty argument - I wanted to leave and cool down, but my partner had other plans, standing at the doorway with a kitchen knife, threatening me, and then herself. When the police arrived, they asked my wife if she wanted them to take ME to the cells for the night (I had a black eye, nose bleed, teeth marks and scratches on my arms - I had punched the wall and put my fist through it - there were no marks on my wife at all)!!!! At first, the physical arguments were all one sided - I'd take the abuse and then lash out at any inanimate object (our house looked like a war zone before long) but eventually I'd had enough, and I hit back. This had the biggest psychological affect on me, and my wife new that she'd won once I hit back. I quickly sank into depression, and tried to take my own life. I took 48 paracetomol tablets, washed down with whisky, and went to bed to die. I think it was the whisky that saved my life, as I was sick, so must have brought most of the tablets back up. I awoke in the morning with bloodshot eyes, yellow faced and little blood pinpricks all over. I stayed in the house for days, too embarrased to leave. (needless to say I'm not dead, and I've never had a headache since!! ;-) )

    Things carried on pretty much the same for 2 years. We'd argue, fight, cry, resolve to ask for help from the elders, then the cycle started again. After another vicious argument, with the ensuing crying and heartfelt sorry's, I asked her why she would hit, scratch and kick me after an argument. Her answer ?? "Because if you hit me back, I know it hurts you". I asked why she wanted to hurt me, if she's supposed to love me? A shrug of her shoulders and more tears was all I got.

    I went round to see an old ex-witness friend, had a few beers, and poured my heart out. As I was telling him of the all the accounts of violence, attempted suicide etc, this voice inside my head said "YOU HAVE A CHOICE. TO HELL WITH WHAT ANYONE ELSE THINKS". When I got home that night, I announced that I was leaving. She flew into a rage, but a calm had already descended on me, and I couldn't be provoked. When she was worn out, I explained the reasons why I wanted to leave, and we didn't argure for a week. Then, I left.

    I got a call from the elders of my local congregation a few weeks later, and agreed to meet with them, thinking It would be a shepherding call, see if they could help, offer guidance, support - the sort of things elders are there for ? Shepherds of the flock ? There were three elders sat together, with my wife. They asked if I was willing to go back to her - to which I replied no, and gave my reasons why. They then told me I had to give her a maintenance payment then. I had already sought legal advice about this, as we had alot of debts from the marriage, which I took so that she could start afresh. Also, during the marriage, my wife was not working or claiming income support etc, so I had been the sole provider. I had left her everything apart from my clothes, and the beaten up old fiesta that we had (she couldn't drive anyway), and taken several thousand pounds of debt with me. Legally, I was not obliged to giver her anything, and could legally take 1/2 the goods in the home, giver her back 1/2 the debts, and still not be obliged to pay any maintenance. I told the elders of this, but they wouldn't listen - "I had a moral obligation to provide for her - the bible says so" was what I got. Then they started on about my association with someone who was disfellowshipped - and I shouldn't be seeing him. I was getting no assistance from any witnesses apart from my family and their friends - no one in the local congregation wanted anything to do with me because I had left my poor wife! In summary, they said that I was ignoring their counsel to return to my wife, else make a provision for her, and that I was a danger to the congregation, so they were going to disfellowship me. At this point I lost my composure, told them they could go F*** themselves and each other for all I cared, and walked out.

    For someone who's whole life has been witness orientated, disfellowshipping is not a punishment, it is a sentence, and torture!! I had 2 friends left in the whole world that wanted anything to do with me! Obviously since then, I have built up a small circle of friends - I have many associates that I socialise with, but my friends I can count on one hand! Witnesses are proud of the saying "True friends are like diamonds, precious but rare, false friends are like common stones, found everywhere" - and how many of them proved themselves to be nothing more than pebbles! I had moved back in with my family - 'friends' would ask "where's **** going to live now then?" expecting my family to throw me on the street!! 'Friends' stopped coming round to see my Mum because she had an 'undesirable' living in her house! I eventually moved out, partly for my own reasons, but also because it was tearing my Mum apart, and I couldn't stand being the cause of her distress.

    How's this for an uncaring person too - I could have easily got divorced on the grounds of "irrerversable breakdown of the relationship", at which point she wouldn't have been allowed to remarry - the only grounds for a witness divorce is adultery. Instead, I waited until I met someone else, slept with her, and rang my wife the following day to allow her to freely, and scripturally, divorce me.

    Incidentally, some of these 'friends' have now suffered the same indignity of their own 'angelic' children being disfellowshipped and living at home, and my Mum has been there as a support to them, even though they practically shunned her. A true diamond, even if I am biased!

    I know of an Elder that has literally blackmailed their daughter into staying as a witness - the has threatened to disinherit her if she leaves the organisation! Where is the shepherding there ? God gave us a free choice to serve him, so who is he to force compliance?

    I am happy that there is a support group here for people to get in touch with others - I know my friend "Little Toe" got much needed support this way, and has built up an enormous circle of friends, visiting many people in other countries. As he put it "No one parties like a group of Ex Witnesses" I hope myself to join in with the partying some day!!

    At this stage in my life, religiously speaking, I am still fairly jaded by the "shepherding with a rod of iron" that I received, but know there is a deeply spiritual side to me too. I help my wife (I am remarried now to an amazing woman), to write sermons and practice with her - she sometimes takes the local worship at the Baptist Chapel, next door to where we live. Someday I might even start looking to worship again - maybe even with the witnesses - who knows? All I know is that we don't need people to tell us what to think, say, do, watch or listen to.

    Especially for anyone out there who's feeling trapped, scared of others opinions or stifled by their regulations.. "You have a choice. God gave you free will, Excercise that right!

    Looking forward to joining in your discussions etc....

    Me!!

    P.s. I am short of cash right now so if you want to make a donation...... ((ONLY JOKING!!!) ;-) I have seen the comments made about other newbies contributions, and thought I'd register my protest at their treatment this way!)

  • outnfree
    outnfree

    Welcome to the Forum, bull!

    You've certainly had a hard time of it, haven't you?!!! I am glad you made your escape from a destructive, hurtful marriage and the lying cult. To remember that only WE have the power to change OUR circumstances by acting or responding differently is a difficult lesson to learn, but an enormously important one, too.

    Good for you for encouraging others here to CHOOSE what is best for them!

    outnfree

  • frankiespeakin
    frankiespeakin

    Bull,

    Welcome to the forum,,your story is shared by many here so you should feel comfortable, and at home.It's good to see your moving on with your life,,I think sometime we can grow a great deal when we experience some of the things you been through,,it hurts,, but it also teaches.

  • SixofNine
    SixofNine

    Welcome! Any friend of LT is a misguided er... friend of ours!

    Someday I might even start looking to worship again - maybe even with the witnesses - who knows? All I know is that we don't need people to tell us what to think, say, do, watch or listen to.
    lol, I'll take the bet that you don't associate with the witnesses ever again. No one who's had the epiphany you present in that second sentence, will have much need for over-organized religion ever again.
  • Sentinel
    Sentinel

    Hi and Welcome.

    I seem to have missed many "newbies" lately and want to welcome all of you. This is an excellent platform where you can "speak" freely and exchange your thoughts and experiences. Most all of us here have had the JW experience going on in their life, so we truly do understand.

    I look forward to reading more of your posts here!

    /<

  • Doubtfully Yours
    Doubtfully Yours

    Welcome, Bull01lay!!!

    DY

  • cameo
    cameo

    Hi Bull01lay!

    So glad you are free from that insideous cult! Yeah for you!!!!

  • LittleToe
    LittleToe

    Hi "Bull"!!!!!

    Glad you finally found your way to the site. It's only been a year since I gave you the links
    ((((hugs))))

    For those who'd like the juicy (to make the connection, because I've posted this stuff before)...

    I was Bull's Bestman, when he married in 1990 (young whipper-snapper), and he mine, in 1993.
    About the time I first came to this site I got in contact with him again, and we finally met up again in the October of that year.
    We had been separated by the Borg for six years, because they DF'ed him.

    I had the pleasure of being at his second wedding, the following August.

    IMHO this isn't just another "newbie" thread, it's a "good news of the (exJW) kingdom, with cream on top" thread!!!

  • Special K
    Special K

    Hi bullolay

    Thanks for sharing your story with us.

    It takes a real person to share both negative and positive aspects of their life.

    You were right to split with your first wife you both seem to create the most awful marital nightmare for each other.

    Thanks again for sharing.

    Too bad that sometimes elders in these commitees only seem to see things from a one sided angle or they seem to have exactly figured out what they are going to do before they even meet with you. In your case that seems to be the case and I don't think it would have mattered what you would have said to them.

    I'm sure it was all very difficult and hard on you and your mom through all this. A good son you must be to see that you needed to leave your moms household in order to spare her from the wrath and continued hurt from members of her congregation. .. but also a good mom to take you in until you got your feet on the ground again.

    look forward to reading your thoughts around the forum and WELCOME!!

    sincerely

    Special K

  • Joyzabel
    Joyzabel

    Well.....ok.....um.....if Little Toe says so.......welcome to JWD, Bull aka "cream of the crop"!

    Little Toe is a very fine man and a jewel. But remember, we try to keep him human here.

    Joy

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