Unfortunately, most JWs actually believe she is better off dying the way she did because in the Watchtower's salvation system her remaining faithful to the blood teaching to the point of death virtually guarantees her a resurrection into paradise, which is coming any day now anyway.
FYI, Eloise Dupuis, 27, a JW, died last Wednesday in a Quebec hospital because she refused a blood transfusion
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yalbmert99
This case is a huge scandal in the medias in Quebec :
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montreal/quebec-jehovahs-witness-death-young-mom-investigation-1.3806578
http://montrealgazette.com/news/coroner-to-investigate-womans-death-following-childbirth
http://montreal.ctvnews.ca/mother-s-religion-comes-under-examination-after-dying-following-childbirth-1.3116847?
http://montreal.ctvnews.ca/video?clipId=974231
French:
http://www.tvanouvelles.ca/2016/10/15/un-bebe-na-plus-de-maman-pour-des-raisons-de-foi
http://www.tvanouvelles.ca/2016/10/15/pourquoi-les-temoins-de-jehovah-refusent-ils-les-transfusions
http://www.journaldequebec.com/2016/10/16/la-decision-vient-vraiment-delle
http://www.tvanouvelles.ca/2016/10/17/il-y-a-une-dizaine-dannees-jaurais-probablement-agi-comme-elle
http://quebec.huffingtonpost.ca/bianca-longpre/eloise-dupuis-temoins-de-jehovah_b_12517736.html
http://ici.radio-canada.ca/regions/quebec/2016/10/17/007-temoin-jehovah-guy-bertrand-mort-hotel-dieu-levis.shtml
http://www.tvanouvelles.ca/2016/10/17/le-deces-deloise-dupuis-est-epouvantable-dit-philippe-couillard-1
http://www.lapresse.ca/le-soleil/actualites/societe/201610/17/01-5031438-deces-deloise-dupuis-la-tante-portera-plainte-a-la-police.php
http://www.lapresse.ca/le-soleil/actualites/chroniques/gilbert-lavoie/201610/17/01-5031363-mourir-pour-allah-ou-pour-jehovah.php
http://www.journaldequebec.com/2016/10/18/quand-jehovah-tue-eloise
http://www.tvanouvelles.ca/2016/10/18/on-ne-peut-pas-sauver-le-monde-qui-ne-veut-pas-etre-sauve -
StephaneLaliberte
Despite all the coverage, JWs wrap them up in a bundle and convince themselves that they are ALL mislead. That Eloise died of an infection, not blood lost.
I think a lot of them are actually hopeless. I mean, if they are not shaken by this...what can we say or do to wake them up?
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OrphanCrow
Stephane: ...if they are not shaken by this...what can we say or do to wake them up?
Nothing. We can't say anything that they will listen to.
However, I think that the WT should be forced, legally, to include all risks and limitations of the alternative procedures that they promote, on the forms that they so lovingly supply.
No other corporate structure, or individual, would be allowed to promote a medical procedure without also being transparent about the risks involved. Nowhere on their forms do they tell the women what risks are involved in taking medications and products that weren't designed to do what the HLC says they should be used for. Almost all of the WT's alternative treatments are used in an "off-label" fashion - the products were not designed to be used for avoiding blood transfusions. They are using drugs designed for conditions that the patient doesn't have - their medical condition is a manufactured one. The JWs have become a high risk blood group based on superstition and fantasy.
The JWs rely on the HLC to give them medical support and yet the HLC do not give them accurate and comprehensive information about the drugs and products they promote.
The only risk that a pregnant JW women is made aware of is the risk of not getting to paradise. They think that they are refusing blood when in actuality, they are choosing to accept experimental use of alternative treatments that have a far higher risk than the blood they refused.
I think pressure should be brought upon the WT to give accurate medical information - they should be forced to list the side effects and risks of the off-label use of the products they promote and they should be forced to be transparent about the clinical trials and such that the JW patients are being used for.
And another thing. There are many documented cases in the medical literature that reveals that a JW patient, when actually faced with the life or death choice of taking blood or refusing it, will often take the blood. This is known in the medical world. It is documented that a person can and does change their mind. Based on that, I think that the HLC should not be allowed to speak to the patient. They should only be available as a consultant to the medical staff - NOT to the JW patient. The patient should be given the opportunity to make their decision on their own. After all, it is their conscience, isn't it?
Signing a noblood card when a person is fit and healthy is entirely different than standing on that decision when it means that you won't be able to hold your newborn baby ever again. The WT knows this and that is why the HLC won't mind their own business.
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Despite all the coverage, JWs wrap them up in a bundle and convince themselves that they are ALL mislead. That Eloise died of an infection, not blood lost.
That is why the coroner's report is going to be valuable. The JWs can continue to delude themselves but the rest of the world will know different.
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StephaneLaliberte
Signing a noblood card when a person is fit and healthy is entirely different than standing on that decision when it means that you won't be able to hold your newborn baby ever again.
So True!
That is why the coroner's report is going to be valuable. The JWs can continue to delude themselves but the rest of the world will know different.
I bet they will say the coroner will have done a bad job. That he didn't truly cooperate with the HLC to understand fully everything that was involved. He is just a coroner, not a doctor, this case was too complicated for him to get it. He's hand in hand with the hospital doctors who probably lied and fabricated evidence, blah blah blah, Satan is behind this, blah blah blah, these are truly the last day, we must remain loyal to Jehovah. blah blah blah - I'll go fill a bucket of puke.
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OrphanCrow
The comments are flying fast and thick on the CBC facebook page
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Stephane: I bet they will say the coroner will have done a bad job. That he didn't truly cooperate with the HLC to understand fully everything that was involved. He is just a coroner, not a doctor, this case was too complicated for him to get it. He's hand in hand with the hospital doctors who probably lied and fabricated evidence, blah blah blah, Satan is behind this, blah blah blah, these are truly the last day, we must remain loyal to Jehovah. blah blah blah - I'll go fill a bucket of puke.
Well, the JWs can say what they like but a Canadian coroner might have a bit different standards than they do.
The coroner in this case is Luc Malouin. I couldn't find much about his qualifications or background other than he has investigated some significant cases.
I did find this which explains what to expect for Canadian coroner qualifications:
The provinces of Alberta,[7] Manitoba,[8] Nova Scotia[9] and Newfoundland and Labrador[10] have a Medical Examiner system, meaning that all death investigations are conducted by specialist physicians trained in Forensic Pathology, with the assistance of other medical and law enforcement personnel. All other provinces run on a coroner system. In Prince Edward Island, and Ontario, all coroners are, by law, physicians. In the other provinces and territories with a coroner system, namely British Columbia, Saskatchewan, Quebec, New Brunswick, Northwest Territories, Nunavut, and Yukon, coroners are not necessarily physicians but generally have legal, medical, or investigative backgrounds.
Of course there will be the true believers who will remain true believers in the face of whatever. But, there will also be those, both in the JWs and in the public, who will be waiting with great interest to discover what the Quebec coroner has to say
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darkspilver
In the Thursday 25 May 2017 edition of Le Soleil newspaper on page 6 it says that despite repeated attempts from her husband, the hospital is refusing to hand over Eloise Dupuis' medical records detailing what happened to her in hospital.
He's having to go to court to get them!