Wealth, Poverty, and Morality

by SecondRateMind 226 Replies latest jw friends

  • SecondRateMind
    SecondRateMind
    In theory, if it's voluntary, every rich person could decide to give exactly no money each and every month.

    Yup. That's exactly my position. If you don't want to help save the world, then there is absolutely no obligation enforced upon you to do so.

    Just don't expect anyone else to consider you in any way, moral.

    Best wishes, 2RM

  • nonjwspouse
    nonjwspouse

    SRM those who voluntarily give now are not forced in any way,

    Capitalism provides funding for those privately funded, voluntary, donations and foundations.

    However, a full socialistic type of forced donations, forced redistribution, has NEVER worked in the long run. It creates worse conditions that what was there to begin with.

    How many extremely poor countries have rich rulers?

  • Simon
    Simon
    Simon, I think you are becoming a little over-excited, and a little less than rational.

    I think you are a grade A fool and your attempt to negate my point by attacking me as a person is evidence of the weakness of your argument, whatever you think you're arguing for because it seems to change like the wind.

    Just a voluntary, charitable, redistribution of the world's wealth.

    Well, any voluntary system is already in place - people can give whatever they want to whoever they want.

    BTW: Stop with the repeated signatures in posts, those are not allowed.

  • hoser
    hoser

    If you have to resort to attacks on the person you are admitting defeat

  • SecondRateMind
    SecondRateMind
    Well, any voluntary system is already in place - people can give whatever they want to whoever they want.

    Indeed so. But as I have pointed out previously, current charitable donations are insufficient, or we would not have 36 million people a year dieing of starvation. So I advocate a massive charitable effort, to rid the world of absolute poverty, once and for all. And, far from changing like the wind, this is exactly what I have advocated, throughout this thread.

  • Simon
    Simon

    I think you're done, you just keep repeating the same drivel.

    The way to rid the world of poverty is by doing more of what we're doing - trade and economies, what capitalism brings. Your wealth redistribution is just marxism in another dress and prolongs and extends the misery it inflicts.

    How much of your money have you given to the poor? Tell us your net worth and if it's over $33k we expect a cheque to be sent ... if you're not just full of hot air.

    Or is it like most nutty leftist with no clue about humanity or economics, you want to give other people's money away

  • SecondRateMind
    SecondRateMind
    If you have to resort to attacks on the person you are admitting defeat

    So hoser, so far on this thread I have been accused of being a troll, being mentally ill, being a fool, being a communist, being a fantasist, and many other epithets I cannot be bothered to recall. Have I won the argument then?

    Best wishes, 2RM

  • MeanMrMustard
    MeanMrMustard
    In theory, if it's voluntary, every rich person could decide to give exactly no money each and every month.

    Yup. That's exactly my position. If you don't want to help save the world, then there is absolutely no obligation enforced upon you to do so.

    Just don't expect anyone else to consider you in any way, moral.

    And this is what I am challenging.

    Since your thread is about morality, why would you consider a rich man, who chooses not to give to charity, immoral? How do you know there aren’t other reasons why he made that choice? Why does it have to be immorality? He could be investing it, perhaps creating new businesses even. In this case he is simply participating in the market, not charity. He can’t afford the charity right now, even though he is rich. If he decided to give, he wouldn’t be able to create. By creating a business that will produce wages, and perhaps products that will make everyone’s life better, he is immoral? Why must he choose to do what *you* think he should do in order to be moral?

  • SecondRateMind
    SecondRateMind
    How much of your money have you given to the poor? Tell us your net worth and if it's over $33k we expect a cheque to be sent ...

    I've already described my circumstances, Simon, on this thread. You trawl for it, if it interests you so much.

    Best wishes, 2RM

  • Simon
    Simon

    You win the "most tiresome poster of the week" award.

    Funny that you consider being a communist as an insult given that is fundamentally the ideology that you are advocating.

    I guess you're disgusted by your own ideas? Sucks to be you.

    Also, final reminder about the post signatures.

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