The Lords prayer ;Our Father prayer...."Let your name be sanctified " from Jesus.

by smiddy3 13 Replies latest jw friends

  • smiddy3

    slimboyfat ,johnamos ,

    i`m not disputing the fact that the name Jesus and other biblical names have reference to the name of God , I`m simply pointing out the fact that the Greek text by Westcott and Hort that the WTB&TS based their NWT of the Christian Greek Scriptures on doesn`t contain the Tetragrammaton either in Hebrew letters or the equivalent Greek letters.

    When the WT publication "The Kingdom Interlinear of The Christian Greek Scriptures" inserts the name Jehovah in the WT interpretation marginal column ,when it does not appear in the word for word translation ,that is dishonest and shows a distinct bias.


    the evidence indicates that the divine name in the form Yaho was in common use among Jews in the first century. Jesus using this form the divine name would probably have been unremarkable, which is why there was no controversy.

    Where in the Christian Greek Scriptures of the NWT/KI is the divine name in the form of Yaho used by Jesus or anyone else ?

    I`m not talking about God`s name whatever it is/was used in the Hebrew Scriptures / OT ,I`m specifically talking about the New testament and whether Jehovah`s Witnesses have been honest in putting a name their or whether they are just speculating that it should be their without the evidence to back it up .

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  • Phizzy

    If it mattered to God that some Personal Name were used by his worshipers, he would have had it preserved in all of Scripture.

    He just don't care " evidently".

    I have heard the argument that as there is only one true god, a personal name is not necessary. The JW's are like the early Israelites, who believed other gods were real, but not supreme, so J.W's feel they need to identify which god they are talking about !

  • DomineIvimus-DI

    It’s an interesting point Smiddy3. Even if the Divine name was in the original texts around 200 times, that is significantly less frequent than the 7000 times in the Greek Scriptures. Some books don’t have the name Jehovah even once. There is a definite shift in emphasis between the two sections of the Bible - Old Testament/New Testament. Old Covenant/New Covenant. Jehovah/Jesus. Nation of Israel/Israel of God. God’s friends/God’s children. And that is he importance of the start of the prayer- rather than Jehovah in the heavens, Jesus said we should call Him “Our Father in the heavens”

  • slimboyfat

    The Watchtower has never disputed that the Greek text of Wescott and Hort doesn’t include the divine name. (Except the shortened form Jah, in Revelation) In fact they have stated this fact a number of times when discussing the topic.

    Their argument is that the original NT used the divine name, and on that basis they restore it. How much clearer could they be? On this issue a number of NT scholars agree with them, that the divine name occurred in the original NT.

    My point about Yaho is that there is evidence that this is how first century Jews called their God, and therefore it would not have been unusual for Jesus to have done so.

    It’s like asking if President Lincoln or President Nixon used the word television, or TV. Even without direct evidence it seems reasonably likely that Nixon used this common word and that Lincoln couldn’t have used it, for obvious reasons.

    Since Yaho was a common designation for the Jewish God in the first century it is on the face of it reasonable to suppose that Jesus and his contemporaries used the name. The later NT manuscripts that don’t include the divine name date from a period when the divine name had been removed from the LXX also, so are not good evidence for use in the NT period itself.

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