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    The Ripple Effect: How Mormon Movements Impact Jehovah's Witnesses

    The New York Times came out with an article on the 10th May where it considers the recent changes in dress code in the Mormon Church and how that affects Jehovah's Witnesses and it is worth considering :

    Andres Gonzalez, 19, stands on the balcony of his Los Angeles apartment, his hands in his suit pockets. It is his first week as a missionary, but today, instead of approaching people on the street, he is shooting a video that he will later post to social media.

    After about a dozen takes, he is successful. “Hello! If you would like to learn more about Jesus Christ,” he says to the camera in Spanish, “contact me.”

    Gonzalez is the image of the modern missionary for the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, which has changed many of its practices — from how missionaries preach to how they dress.

    The faith, long known for sending tens of thousands of neatly and formally dressed young people across the globe each year to preach door to door, is encouraging new missionaries to spread the gospel on social media and, for some, with acts of community service closer to home.

    (=I don't see how the Watchtower can copy that as they have lost the game online years ago, and the exjw community is far more millitant in exposing the cult that ex-Mormons are)

    As a church leader, Dieter F. Uchtdorf, put it, missionaries should feel comfortable sharing their faith in “normal and natural ways.”

    In the last few years, the church has also changed some rules for missionaries themselves — loosening restrictions on dress codes (women can wear pants) and how often they can call family members back home (once a week, not just on Christmas and Mother’s Day).(=Where have we seen this before?)

    To outsiders, the adjustments may seem small. But to missionaries who adhere to strict rules while on assignment, the shifts are dramatic.

    “We’ve seen a lot of big, big changes,” Jensen Diederich, 23, said. He served his mission in Peru and said it was “monumental” when the church allowed him to call home weekly, instead of just twice a year.

    The church believes missionary work is essential for the world’s salvation — that people must be baptized in the faith to get to the highest level of heaven after they die. Missionary work also helps increase the church’s membership, and it deepens many young members’ faith. Many missionaries begin their assignments just after they leave home. Instead of partying on a college campus, they commit themselves to the religion and develop habits that can last a lifetime.

    One of those members was Sen. Mitt Romney of Utah, who was a missionary in France in the 1960s. He has said the isolation of his mission allowed him to examine his faith without distraction. When asked about the changes, he said, “For young people of my generation, I think the separation from family and friends served us well.”

    But he understands times have changed. “With today’s youth in near constant contact with one another, maintaining greater connection during a mission fits their life experience,” he added.

    Many young church members say the new rules have made missionary service more attractive and realistic.

    (=on the other hand I don't know many jw pioneers that can say the same thing, in fact the opposite is true , jws generally look demotivated these days next to their carts)

    Kate Kennington, a 19-year-old with a mission assignment to London, said finding people online and messaging them is a more successful way of approaching potential converts. “It’s how I would want to be contacted,” she said.

    Knocking on doors and approaching people on the street are no longer seen as useful as they once were because of shifts in American culture,” said Matthew Bowman, a professor of religion and history at Claremont Graduate University who holds the chair of Mormon studies. He is also a church member.

    (=and that's the path that the current GB is taking the Witnesses down to, one of their main tenets being that the door to door ministry is in the Bible but is not working you know that but at the same time I fail to see how they will embrace social media where they are currently being slaughtered by the exjw community)

    For decades, missionaries’ clean-cut suits were signs of prosperity, Bowman said, and an effective way of appealing to converts. But they now feel “outdated.”

    Many of the changes, especially the push to evangelize on social media, were fueled by the pandemic, which shut down in-person church gatherings and forced Latter-day Saints and Jehovah’s Witnesses to find alternatives to door-to-door preaching.

    (=unlike the Mormons the Jehovahs Witnesses took to writing letters to strangers and the return address was always their Kingdom Hall and not their personal address.JWs are I'm fear of social media and that is not something that will change anytime soon)

    The missionaries use their phones to film videos of themselves promoting the church or sharing messages of faith. In one video, a missionary raps about his faith. In another, two missionaries throw a football and a Frisbee through an obstacle course in a church gym — an object lesson meant to visualize how Jesus Christ can help people overcome challenges.

    So far, the changes appear to be working: In the last three years, as pandemic restrictions lifted and young members responded to an appeal from the church’s top leader for them to serve, the number of full-time proselytizing missionaries has risen about 25%, according to church data. At the end of last year, the church had about 72,000 full-time missionaries serving around the world.

    The church has just under 17.3 million members globally but has seen growth slow. From 1988 to 1989, during a surge in growth when the church expanded into West Africa, the church grew about 9%. Last year, the church grew about 1.5%.

    A Tradition of Travel

    Missionary work is a rite of passage for Latter-day Saints — and has been since the church’s founding in 1830.

    The church’s missionaries have traveled the world, growing their faith from a fledgling startup in upstate New York to a global religion that brings in billions of dollars in revenue.

    Church leaders say it is men’s responsibility to become missionaries for two years starting at age 18. Missionary work is optional for women, who serve for 18 months. The church has historically encouraged women to focus on marriage and motherhood. But since 2012, when the church lowered the age women could become missionaries to 19 from 21, more women have been going.

    Missionaries leave their families and friends, learn new languages and spend the first years of their adulthood spreading the gospel of Jesus Christ.

    While on a mission, they cannot date and must follow the religion’s ban on premarital sex, drinking, smoking, coffee and caffeinated tea. Communication with friends and family back home is restricted. They commit to stay focused on their work, and their proximity to their missionary partner creates a sense of accountability that keeps most from breaking the rules.

    Until recently, the experience of young missionaries was similar to that of their parents. They first attended a missionary training center — a religious boot camp of sorts — before traveling to their missions.

    Most missionaries now start their training online at home, where the transition is less jarring. They can adapt to a mission schedule with their family’s support. Being home is also an opportunity for new missionaries to evangelize in their community.

    “I’ve had friends who aren’t members of the church,” Tanner Bird, a 19-year-old missionary in Brazil who did part of his training at home in Houston. “And I just get super, super excited and talk to them about the gospel.”

    Once deployed, men in some areas are allowed to wear blue shirts and go without ties, while women can wear wrinkle-resistant dress pants in “conservative colors.” Most missionaries now have smartphones and call their families weekly.

    Some traditions remain: Young missionaries still do not get to pick their destinations. Many teenagers throw parties to open their assignments, reading their “call letter” aloud for the first time in front of family and friends. Others film elaborate announcement videos — including on ice skates. Some serve close to home (there are 10 missions in Utah). Others go as far as Tahiti or Tokyo.

    Gonzalez, the missionary in Los Angeles, said he first imagined going on a mission when he was a child in Venezuela. His parents, who converted to the faith, often had young missionaries over for meals. After the church helped the family settle in Utah, he said serving as a missionary was part of his “American dream.”

    Every morning, he wakes up at 6:30 a.m., the set time for many missionaries, with his “companion,” an assigned missionary partner. They are mandated to “never be alone,” with few exceptions, and each day follow a missionary schedule.

    On Facebook, they contact people they have met, including those they have approached on the street in downtown Los Angeles. They also search groups for people who may be open to their message and post videos to generate interest in their faith. They keep track of potential converts’ progress, including lessons they teach. Every Monday, Gonzalez calls his parents.

    Calls are also an opportunity for him to receive support. “It’s a little bit hard,” Gonzalez said of his mission work, describing people in downtown Los Angeles as “busy.” Still, he remains hopeful: “Some of them, they really are ready. They make time, even just like five minutes.”

    The missionary experience is not for everyone. Some people feel isolated, find it difficult to adapt to a location, or struggle with the rules or the pressure to keep their commitment. Some people do leave early; the church does not comment on those who do.

    Alex McAlpin, a 23-year-old who went on a mission to Denver, almost did not put in a missionary application. Before her mission, she attended Pepperdine University, where she wrestled with some aspects of church doctrine and history.

    Then the church made its dress code change, allowing women to wear pants in 2018.

    “That was the first day of my life that I thought maybe I would go” on a mission, McAlpin said. She saw the new dress code and the church’s other mission changes as a sign the church was evolving and listening to its younger members, many of whom hope their church will modernize in larger ways. “I wanted to be a part of the change.”

    And there you have it. All the recent changes in loosening the rules on dressing on both men and women isn't something Jehovah communicated with the Governing Body but more likely the result of consulting the same agency that Mormons used back in 2018 to effect same changes in their rules of dressing. What I find interesting is that Mormons have changed things in the ministry and have a embraced social media in order to spread their message something that I find unlikely for Jehovah's Wirmesses to do anytime soon. They have lost the battle on social media for years now where they get slaughtered by the exjw community. But there is I think another reason too. The past 60 years beginning with Raymond Frantz they have driven away everyone that could put two verses together and they have been left with no theologian amongst their ranks that could have made meaningful changes in ministry and doctrine. We are way past this point and that is why the Witnesses have become a cartoonish version of their former self.


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  • JW GoneBad
    JW GoneBad

    I've always viewed Mormons as the older sister to the Jehovah’s Witnesses. The Mormons being the older, more attractive & more successful sister...the Jehovah’s Witnesses being the younger, less attractive (ugly duckling) & less successful of the two.

  • Phizzy

    Thanks for Posting rf, what an eye opener !

    The J.W org. have done this in many ways before, following the lead of the LDS Church, but it did not occur to me that the change in dress & grooming advice was another example of this !

    I concur with your conclusions as to the difficulty with getting J.W's to adapt to Social Media, the very young could do this, but most are "in" because it is their Social Club, not for the reason of having a deep belief, or much of a faith at all I would guess. They would be embarrassed to "Witness" on-line.

    The other problem they have is the very low education level of the average J.W, and their very sheeplike way of having to be directed, incapable of writing a sincere Letter themselves, they have to follow a J.W Template, that is parochial in language to me, nobody here in the U.K would start with "Dear neighbour", or claim to be a neighbour, and yet put a K.H Address, their Letters come over as a Scam. So would similar pathetic efforts on Social Media.

    We have been aware for years that the JW org. was moribund, and struggling, but this is now even more stark, I may yet live long enough to see the org. go down the plughole, and simply be a footnote in History, like the other 18th Century sects that are no more.

    Meanwhile the LDS Church will continue in Business.

  • raymond frantz
    raymond frantz

    The LDS are not as vicious persecuting others , that might be their saving card.Witnesses can copy them all they like, which is very funny because it wasn't that long ago they used to look down on them and used to call them a cult

  • joe134cd

    The Mormon church is not more successful than the JWs. I’d be brave enough to say that the JWs may have a bigger more engaged membership.

    tbh I belong to a few PIMI JW communities on face book. I think it’s a lot more open than it used to be. I see photos of some very attractive young people in halls / carts. If these photos are to be believed, I wonder why, or what, the hell they are doing there. I sort of get the idea the photos are more designed for partner hunting rather than theocratic activities. If that’s the case then good on them.

  • TonusOH

    Phizzy: the very young could do this

    This makes me wonder about the removal of Tony Morris and the inclusion of two younger members into the GB. This may signal a realization that times have changed. The GB are no longer names the rank-and-file occasionally hear, they are people who are well-known to JWs through the videos streamed from the website. What do young JWs see? Old men preaching at them. The most animated among them is Stephen Lett, whose cartoonish facial expressions draw attention away from whatever he is saying.

    It may well be too late, but I am curious to see if there will be more changes coming to the GB. Could they be looking for more charismatic people who are media-savvy and comfortable in front of a camera? The risks (one of them developing a cult within the cult) may be worth the reward (growing a following that keeps income levels stable over the long term).

  • Diogenesister
    =unlike the Mormons the Jehovahs Witnesses took to writing letters to strangers and the return address was always their Kingdom Hall and not their personal address.JWs are I'm fear of social media and that is not something that will change anytime soon)

    Hi phil,Thanks for the post. I received two letters from JWs with return addresses on them. One was clearly written by someone elderly and the other by a chap who described himself as disabled and wheelchair bound.

    I was conflicted as to whether to reply with "apostate" information simply because it was their home address. I figured maybe they weren't supposed to give their home address and I didn't want them to feel "cornered" or worry about me knowing where they lived if they decided to view me as satanic or something. 😬

    Was I right not to reply do u think?🤷‍♀️ I still have their letters....

  • Vidiot
    raymond - “…the exjw community is far more millitant in exposing the cult than ex-Mormons are…”

    That’s ‘cause individual XJWs are far more likely to have been far more hurt than XMs.

  • Vidiot
    “…For decades, missionaries’ clean-cut suits were signs of prosperity, Bowman said, and an effective way of appealing to converts. But they now feel ‘outdated’…”

    Yeah, these days, more and more people realize that a squeaky-clean image tends to hide very dirty secrets.

  • Vidiot
    “…they have driven away everyone that could put two verses together and they have been left with no theologian amongst their ranks that could have made meaningful changes in ministry and doctrine…”

    Agreed, that kind of thing takes some serious chops, and Fred Franz never left any kind of protege.

    They’re supposed to be trying to overhaul the Org’s eschatology at the moment, but I’m not holding my breath.

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