Peace security

by asp59 21 Replies latest watchtower beliefs

  • asp59

    Never have understood why sudden destruction most come after announcement of peace and security. Is not peace and security a good thing? Can someone give a logical answer to it.

  • Vanderhoven7

    Reminds me of Neville Chamberlain's words of assurance just prior to WWII

    "Peace in our time"

  • stuckinarut2

    Ah well, NO ONE except Jehovah has the right to bring in "Peace and Security" you see.

    And he will usher this in by means of a mass GENOCIDE of Billions of people...

  • Finkelstein

    Nations have been announcing peace and security for thousands of years going right back to ancient biblical times, it is nothing unique in human history.

    The foretold prophecies in the last book in the bible were to create power relevance to the ancient Hebrew god, therefore it’s fictional mythology and that’s what you should accept when reading those writings.

  • Magnum

    It never made sense to me. JWs claim that the whole reason for all the suffering, etc. has to do with the issue of universal sovereignty - that Jah is allowing the existence of all the bad to prove that man can't solve his own problems. Yet, if man declares peace and security, and then Jah very quickly destroys "this system", won't a question remain as to whether man had finally achieved peace and security?

    It just seems to go against the whole point of the JW doctrine for Jah to allow man to declare peace and security and then bring the end. It seems that Jah should end "this system" with it at its worst, not at a time when man has declared peace and security.

  • Vanderhoven7

    The verse is found here

    1Th 5:3 For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape.

  • blownaway

    I remember when the wall came down in the early 90s, they thought this was it.

  • HiddlesWife

    (Another control tactic from the H8teful 8. . . . . . . . . . . . .

  • lastmanstanding

    Peace & Security

    It is an unfortunate fact that the leadership of the Watchtower Kingdom have misled their followers for what seems an eternity, and there is no exception when it comes to what they have taught on this topic.

    Watchtower relies on two things to complete their conquest. One, JWs don’t read. Two, JWs are highly superstitious.

    If any JW would but for a minute take a hard look at what was written to the Thessalonians in full, the Watchtower’s superstitious bologna would crumble.

    What are JWs taught ..that they will know right off when they see it, this P&S announcement... or rather that they will read about it in the Watchtower, or other GB newsletter of the day, where the GB will proclaim “this is it!!!”

    JWs will look for something to be “written to” them. However, what was the counsel given to the Thessalonians?

    Let’s have a look at the message given to the Thessalonians. We will use the NWT.

    1 Thessalonians 5:1
    1 Now as for the times and the seasons, brothers, you need nothing to be written to you.

    Have any JWs pondered that verse? Christians were told back then that nothing would be written to them. And why? Let’s read the next verse.

    2 For you yourselves know very well that Jehovah’s day is coming exactly as a thief in the night.

    What thief, coming in the night to rob, sends a written notice? Of course nothing will be written because nothing can be written as the “day” in question is coming without any notice whatsoever, as “thief in the night”

    So, what does verse 3 really say?

    3 Whenever it is that they are saying, “Peace and security!” then sudden destruction is to be instantly on them, just like birth pains on a pregnant woman, and they will by no means escape.

    The Christian Congregation at Thessalonica was being told to STOP TRYING TO FIGURE IT OUT.

    They were obviously looking to the political entities for some indication as to when the “day” would come.

    But Paul made a point. You cannot tell anything about anything from what the politics of the world is saying, for WHENEVER, ANYTIME and EVERY TIME they say “peace and security”, the opposite will be true, destruction is coming.

    This precedent has been true throughout history and is as true today as in the past.

    Look at the roaring twenties. It’s all good, they said, peace and security for everyone.

    And BHAM!

    Look at the Titanic. “Not even God could sink this ship”. SLAM!

    I am sure the readers here can fill the page with examples. It’s too easy.

    Paul was right, WHENEVER they say one thing, the opposite is the case.

    So, the very warning against looking to the world for a tell tale sign, Watchtower turned into yet another false prophecy to use as a lever in manipulating the superstitious masses under their control.

    Well, what about the counsel to keep awake? Does this surely not demonstrate that JWs are right in their feeble minded ideas? Let’s examine.

    4 But you, brothers, you are not in darkness, so that the day should overtake you as it would thieves,

    Does this verse say that the “day” would not “overtake” or surprise Christians? NO! It clearly says that they would not be overtaken in the same way or manner as “thieves”.


    Let me illustrate. You are on the job with Bob the slacker. Now, Bob didn’t pay attention when you were all told that the boss was going to show up to the job site out of the blue. So, Bob did his usual thing. He laid back thinking he could calculate the Boss’s arrival.

    So, the Boss man shows up, like a thief in the night. Are you, the Christian worker surprised? You surely are, because you knew he was coming, but suddenly here he is in real-time and you had no idea that he would arrive when he did. SURPRISE!!

    What about Bob the slacker. Not so good for Bob. He was caught sleeping on the job. Bob is screwed.

    So, the Boss caught you working? Bad thing? No, certainly not. The Boss’s arrival “did not overtake you as it” did Slacker Bob. It overtook you while doing exactly what you were supposed to be doing. You are somewhat shocked, but happy.

    Bob got tossed.

    So the counsel was...

    5 for you are all sons of light and sons of day. We belong neither to night nor to darkness. 6 So, then, let us not sleep on as the rest do, but let us stay awake and keep our senses.

    Don’t be sleeping like Slacker Bob. Stay awake, be found doing what you are supposed to be doing. And stop looking at the world leaders for some sign.

  • stillin

    That falls into the same category as confusing the languages so that people couldn't accomplish much.

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