Isn’t JW’s teaching of “the abomination that causes desolation” wrong?

by Abraham1 35 Replies latest watchtower bible

  • LongHairGal


    I agree with you. I was brought up Roman Catholic and the cross was just a representation of Christ’s sacrifice. Same thing with other statues, etc..I certainly didn’t worship any particular item.

    As far as I was concerned, the Witnesses just differed for the sake of being different. I let their claims of ‘idolatry’ everywhere go in one ear and out the other. Meanwhile I have seen photos of wearable items with their corporate logo (tie tacks, etc.) What do you call that??..This is the same as people in Christendom selling cross and medal necklaces!

    When I first started my ‘Fade’ from the JW religion, one of the things I soon did was go into one of those Catholic stores and purchase a lovely set of rosary beads which I keep as a memento.

  • punkofnice

    I love the way 'Christians' can't agree on a subject.

    Has anyone thought the stuff in the Bible is metaphor or garbage?

  • road to nowhere
    road to nowhere

    Your question is too specific. Try: "isn't JW teaching wrong?".

  • Disillusioned JW
    Disillusioned JW

    Fisherman, I noticed that you said (on page one of this forum topic) that the "WT has always explained the disgusting thing that causes desolation as the UN." Do believe that the League of Nations and the United Nations are the same organization (as the WT teaches, with the League having gone into the abyss and having later ascended out of it as the UN)? Or, like me are you now convinced that the United Nations is a considerably different organization than what the League of Nations was? I have follow up comments to possibly make depending upon your answers.

  • Disillusioned JW
    Disillusioned JW

    Abraham1,it is true that the WT says that the final King of the North (probably viewed by the WT as being what the WT calls Anglo-America) will not meet his end by the final King of the South (and the WT currently says that the current King of the South is Russia and its allies). But the WT also says that the final King of the North will meet his end, but by God (at the battle of Armageddon) instead of by the final King of the South.

  • Disillusioned JW
    Disillusioned JW

    road to nowhere, many WT/JW teachings are correct. For example they correctly teach the following: the Babylonian, Assyrian, and Roman empires existed; that Nineveh existed; that Jerusalem's temple was destroyed in 70 AD/CE; that King Herod existed; that planet Earth exists and that there was a time when no life existed on the planet; that all humans born more than 150 years ago have died; that the United States of America exists; that living humans have a brain; that planet Earth is polluted, that crime exists on the planet, and that numerous religions exist on the planet; etc.

    A more appropriate question, than the one you suggested, is "Are any doctrines/teachings unique (or original) to the WT (and its JW religion) correct, and if so, which ones?" That question none come to my mind which are correct.

  • Vidqun

    Disillusioned, just the other way round. According to the Society, King of the South = Anglo-America. King of the North = Russia and following. Here's a summary of the first "desolator" as I see it.


    Dan. 9:27b

    Pax Romana

    Ara Pacis Augustae

    The Ara Pacis Augustae (Altar of Augustan Peace), erected in Rome in 9 BCE, stands as a monument to the Pax Romana, an era of peace and prosperity throughout the Roman Empire ushered in by the Emperor Augustus. Relief carvings decorate the walls surrounding the altar, which is now located at the Museum of the Ara Pacis Augustae, in Rome.

    The Roman Empire introduced the Pax Romana in 9 BCE to celebrate the peaceful rule of Caesar Augustus. During this time of peace and prosperity the Empire would flourish. On the contrary, Dan. 7:19 portrays Rome as a ferocious beast, “extraordinary fearsome, the teeth of which were of iron and the claws of which were copper, which was devouring [and] crushing, and which was treading down even what was left with its feet.”

    The iron teeth beast can only be Rome. “There is” (says Herodian, ii. 11.7) “no part of the earth and no region of the heavens whither the Romans have not extended their dominion.” Such is also the conclusion reached by Martin Luther: “In this interpretation and opinion,” he observes, “all the world are agreed, and history and fact abundantly establish it.” It certainly lived up to its name. By destroying Jerusalem in 70 CE, Rome took on the Biblical title “abominations causing desolation:”

    "And upon the wing of disgusting things [abominations, ESV, NET] there will be the one causing desolation; and until an extermination, the very thing decided upon will go pouring out also upon the one lying desolate" (Dan. 9:27b; cf. Luke 21:20-24).

    “The Roman standards were guarded with religious veneration in the temples at Rome; and the reverence of this people for their ensigns was in proportion to their superiority to other nations . . . [To soldiers it] was perhaps the most sacred thing the earth possessed. The Roman soldier swore by his ensign.”—The Encyclopædia Britannica, 11th Edition.

  • notsurewheretogo
    But the abomination referred in Matthew 24 is about something else. For Jehovah's witnesses the cross symbol is an abomination. We would not like to have that symbol at the Kingdom hall. Not either other nationalistic symbols. Even worse would be a spying robot in the kingdom hall monitoring if we comply with whatever government mandates. Or even worse if a govermental spy robot would require that we worship it at the Kingdom Halls.
    I am waiting when a such thing will be placed in the holy place of Jehovah's witnesses. That would be the image of the beast according to Revelation 13.
    You will be long dead because such a wait is futile given you are looking at fiction.
  • Disillusioned JW
    Disillusioned JW

    Hi Vidquin, you are right that I got it backwards regarding which was the King of the North and which was of the South. I know that the Anglo-America is identified by the WT as the King of the South. [I think I stated things backwards because I was thinking of saying the USA first and Russia second, while I was reading the word order used by Abraham1 of "North King ... South King".]

  • Disillusioned JW
    Disillusioned JW

    At WT/JW conventions held on non-WT/JW property (such as indoor public stadiums) in the USA the USA flag and the local state flag are on display. Also on the JW news website in a video depicting Russia police (or soldiers) entering a Kingdom Hall in Russia I think I saw handheld cameras in use by some the Russian government personnel.

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