Is WT Teachig on Hell Biblical?

by Sea Breeze 35 Replies latest watchtower beliefs

  • Blotty

    Ill note Eccl 10:19 should be taken in its context, not in the misleading way its being addressed here...- The OT contradicts this in many places if this were true

    it hasn't occurred that a lot of the things mentioned as "evidence" are actually just Greek and Hebrew idiom - for "everything you have"

    for examples in the following scripture it uses soul in the sense of a dead body (Bible hub) Num 6:6 - How can a soul be dead? simple an idiom, we use "soul" in the sense of a person "poor soul"

    (Just 2 dictionaries of many)

    see also: Pr 23:2; Isa 56:11; Hag 2:13.

    alot of important information has been omitted here.
  • EasyPrompt
    @SeaBreeze said: "Why not make a Christian doctrine out of Eccl. 10: 19 too?"

    Jesus made bread for people.

    "Do you not yet perceive and understand? Are your hearts still dull in understanding? ‘Though having eyes, do you not see; and though having ears, do you not hear?’ Do you not remember when I broke the five loaves for the 5,000 men, how many baskets full of fragments you collected?” They said to him: “Twelve.” “When I broke the seven loaves for the 4,000 men, how many large baskets full of fragments did you take up?” And they said to him: “Seven.” With that he said to them: “Do you not yet understand?”"

    Jesus made wine for people.

    "When the director of the feast tasted the water that had now been turned into wine, not knowing where it came from (although the servants who had drawn out the water knew), the director of the feast called the bridegroom and said to him: “Everyone else puts out the fine wine first, and when people are intoxicated, the inferior. You have saved the fine wine until now.” Jesus did this in Caʹna of Galʹi·lee as the beginning of his signs, and he made his glory manifest, and his disciples put their faith in him."

    Jesus made money for people.

    "But that we do not cause them to stumble, go to the sea, cast a fishhook, and take the first fish that comes up, and when you open its mouth, you will find a silver coin. Take that and give it to them for me and you.”

    Ecclesiastes 10:19

    "Bread is made for laughter, and wine makes life enjoyable; but money answers every need."

    @SeaBreeze said: "I guess you could say Jesus was the first Christian, since he was the Christ"
  • vienne

    Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels - Mt. 25 :31

    The fire is everlasting, but it does not say those thrown in it are.

    And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell. Mt. 10: 28

    This says that the soul dies. If something is destroyed, it no longer exists.

  • Rattigan350

    All of the WTS teachings are biblical.

    The problem is that their organizational policies go way way way too far to the extreme on the right.

  • Rattigan350

    @Seabreeze, you speak like christendom

    "Jesus answered him, “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born again he cannot see the kingdom of God.” In other words, you cannot be a Christian without being "born again" with a new spirit."

    That is not what it means.

    Israelites were born into the old covenant.

    Jesus told him that they would have to be 'born' into a new covenant, 'born again' to get into the kingdom. The new birth would be by water and spirit, baptism by water and anointed by holy spirit would get them the new birth.

    The only ones that are born again are the Jews of Jesus' day who could be of the overlapping covenants.

  • EasyPrompt

    Now, dear sweet Rattigan350, you know those WTBT$ teachings are not all biblically based.

    Daniel chapter 4 has nothing to do with 1914.

    Overlapping generations is hogwash. The "appointed times of the nations" isn't some "Gentile Times" foolishness; the Bible shows "the appointed times of the nations" is the 3 1/2 years of the great tribulation when the nations attack religious institutions.

    The Bible is clear that Jesus hasn't arrived yet, because he said everybody would see him.

    The FDS as a title is ridiculous; Jesus clearly said "don't call anyone on earth your Good Teacher or Rabbi or Father" just be like brothers.

    Paul said if someone doesn't want to work to support their own ministry then mark them and avoid them - there was no "volunteer donation supported commune by the lake" for some group. By Paul's own words, all those able-bodied "special full time servants" should be avoided until they learn to support their own "ministry" and pay their own taxes.

    Jesus talked to criminals and forgave people without having a three-clown backroom interrogation. Jesus' and John's and Paul's words are completely taken out of context for that mock "biblical support" for the dumb disfellowshipping ancient Greek culture intrusion doctrine of ostracism.

    You don't need "two witnesses" to know how to protect somebody from CSA. Jesus stood up for people even when there were no "witnesses". That's what a good shepherd does - protects the sheep,

    The supposed Revelation "new scrolls" teaching the GB thinks is some new future Bible they'll get a part in helping write like some new book of Mormon is non-existent when you look at the verse in the context; it's just talking about records being made and assessed in the future.

    Jesus said nothing about two classes that would never see each other. He said "Truly, I will be with you in Paradise" to a guy who was not going to be part of the kingdom government in heaven because Jesus knew those in heaven would also be here hanging out with people on earth.

    The WTBT$ says God will never come hang out on earth with His kids on earth, but the Bible says He will.

    WTBT$ gets all kinds of Bible stuff wrong.

    But, they don't get everything wrong. The Bible is God's Word. There was a Flood. When a person is dead, they're dead. Jesus didn't resurrect himself. And coconuts are cool.😎

  • Rattigan350

    "Daniel chapter 4 has nothing to do with 1914."

    Daniel 4 and the tree dream is not a WTBTS doctrine. It preceeded them. People need to understand that Russell didn't invent that.

    "Overlapping generations is hogwash"

    That's true but that is not a WTBTS doctrine is it? That is a product of David Splane and the others of the GB 2.0 which is not the WTBTS.

    "The "appointed times of the nations" isn't some "Gentile Times" foolishness; the Bible shows "the appointed times of the nations" is the 3 1/2 years of the great tribulation when the nations attack religious institutions."

    That makes no sense.

  • EasyPrompt

    For dear Rattigan350🙂:

    Scriptures mentioning "3 1/2 years" of great tribulation when nations attack and destroy religious institutions...

    Daniel 7:25 regarding the future time when the UN is the world power "he will continually harass the holy ones of the Supreme One. He will intend to change times and law, and they will be given into his hand for a time, times, and half a time."

    Daniel 8:24 talks about the UN world power bringing ruin in an extraordinary way and being successful and acting effectively. "He will bring mighty ones to ruin, also the people made up of the holy ones."

    Daniel 11:45-12:1 says that when the great prince takes the throne in heaven there will be great distress such as has not occurred since there came to be a nation until that time. (He didn't take the throne in 1914...)

    Daniel 12:6,7 Says "it will be for an appointed time, appointed times, and half a time. As soon as the dashing to pieces of the power of the holy people comes to an end, all these things will come to their finish."

    Daniel 12:11 talks about 1,290 days; 12:12 mentions the 1,335 days.

    At Luke 21:24 Jesus said "and they will fall by the edge of the sword and be led captive into the nations; and Jerusalem will be trampled on by the nations until the appointed times of the nations are fulfilled."

    Revelation 12:7-12 says that when war breaks out in heaven, the Devil will be cast down "for a short period of time."

    Revelation 12:13,14 talks about "for a time and times and half a time."

    When Jesus takes the throne in heaven, he will cast the Devil down. The UN will be allowed to get riled up and attack all religious institutions. The great tribulation will be 3 1/2 years.

  • Vanderhoven7

    God alone has immortality. He has given or will give immortality to his faithful angels...and He will bestow the same to faithful believers at the resurrection. The question is

    When will he grant immortality to the wicked so they can be tortured forever in the lake of fire?

  • Fisherman

    When will he grant immortality to the wicked so they can be tortured forever in the lake of fire?

    Life is a blessing not a curse. The wicked will then curse the Holy One day and night and will curse the blessedness of life day and night praying for death and the Blessed and Just and Loving God would be forced to listen idly. While you and God enjoy heavenly bliss—as cofty highlighted.

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