Solar power rip off! Aussie government destroyed free electricity. Scum!

by Witness 007 25 Replies latest jw experiences

  • Diogenesister
    Diogenesister

    Waton this is very interesting - so it may be possible to capture enough solar energy to cool the planet?

    Sorry, I am very ignorant about this.

    Do you mean cool the planet because we will use less fossil fuels or *literally* cool the planet using solar power once we can store it properly?

  • waton
    waton

    ds: I was just speculating. solar energy stored would of course be cooling. but using that energy returns the energy, ultimately into heat. The lives of the animals/plants that made the oil /coal cooled the planet, (also stored the carbon) . Us burning it, heats, Reflecting the heat would be a way to cool. solar panels absorb. 20%? and are shiny.

    Even the Solar World Challenge Australian Solar car racers have short time storage batteries to control the juice that powers their wheels. Australia is a great place for solar power use. Arabia too, but they refuse. ha.

  • punkofnice
    punkofnice

    It's always about money and power (no pun intended), with corporations and governments. They demand, you have no option but to give.

    I hate them all, in the truest sense.(that's a nod to the WBT$ by the way)

  • Simon
    Simon
    There is no way to store solar energy. Simple as that. Unless you have the huge amounts of batteries at your home to do this.

    That's not strictly true unless you limit "energy storage" to just electricity.

    There's a solar-augmented community near us where all the houses / garages have solar panels but the energy is mostly used for heating (hey, we're in the cold-north of Canada!). During the summer a core deep underground is heated and sustains energy that way. Apparently it's paid for itself within 3 years and provides much cheaper ongoing energy bills after that.

    I don't know how much electricity it does or doesn't provide as well but we shouldn't limit our thinking to the form the energy might initially be harvested as.

  • Simon
    Simon

    The normal goal of the subsidy programmes you describe are to jump-start an industry by bridging the cost / technology gap for early adopters. As more people use it, the technology improves and the costs come down to the point that it hopefully becomes self-sustaining.

    It should never be a long-term government subsidy of your utility bills and your labelling them "scum" really indicates a sense of entitlement that is unwarranted. Any government subsidy money has to come from somewhere - why should other tax payers pay for your utility bill? Sounds like it was far too generous so count the good times when you could enjoy it as a plus but don't bitch that it's been corrected.

  • redvip2000
    redvip2000
    There is no way to store solar energy. Simple as that. Unless you have the huge amounts of batteries at your home to do this.

    Quite a full circle. here. Then there is a way to store, and in reality the way to store it is the same as with any other supply form. You don't go around storing the power supplied by your power company do you?

    Now, the only reason to store solar power is because there is no sun at night. But you really don't need a massive amount of batteries, unless you are planning to have copious amounts of devices turned on in the evening.

    If my roof had plenty of solar exposure I would move towards solar.

  • Village Idiot
    Village Idiot

    Lost his mind,

    There is no way to store solar energy. Simple as that. Unless you have the huge amounts of batteries at your home to do this.

    Tesla is selling the Powerwall which is capable of storing enough energy to run your appliances if you have several of them.

    Like solar energy batteries are quickly dropping in price as well as increasing in the amount of energy they store. Powerwalls have been declining in price.

    The Powerwall is the white fixture attached to the outside wall.

    An article on the subject:
    http://www.businessinsider.com/everything-about-tesla-powerwall-2-battery-2016-10

  • BluesBrother
    BluesBrother

    Even in cool cloudy UK a lot of solar panels have been installed . There used to be a generous tarrif that made them an attractive option . What do you know? The Govt. Slashed the tarrif and now new installations are much less .

    C'es't la vie....

  • Bungi Bill
    Bungi Bill
    It should never be a long-term government subsidy of your utility bills and your labelling them "scum" really indicates a sense of entitlement that is unwarranted. Any government subsidy money has to come from somewhere - why should other tax payers pay for your utility bill? Sounds like it was far too generous so count the good times when you could enjoy it as a plus but don't bitch that it's been corrected.

    In Australia, this was subsidised by those power consumers who were not using solar power. As such, it was unsustainable, and that is why I didn't elect to go the solar way. Until the storage issue is resolved satisfactorily, a stable power grid is still going to be needed (otherwise, what happens during the hours of darkness?).

    A high proportion of "distributed" generation (principally photo voltaic cells and wind turbines) creates great potential for system instability (as was revealed in last year's power blackout in South Australia).

  • Village Idiot
    Village Idiot

    Bungi Bill,

    ...what happens during the hours of darkness?).

    Windmills is the short answer. Offshore and inshore windmills together can provide a steady stream of electricity because there is always a wind at the ocean. 50% of the population in the US, and probably more in Australia, live within 50 miles off the coast which puts those windmills right where the grid is at.

    You can also have gas powered plants to pick up any slack. They're already used at night when demand for electricity is higher. The idea is to have an 80% reduction in fossil fuel burning.

    A high proportion of "distributed" generation (principally photo voltaic cells and wind turbines) creates great potential for system instability (as was revealed in last year's power blackout in South Australia).

    It works in Europe. What are they doing differently from Australia? Besides, Malcolm Turnbull admitted that it was the weather (2:42 on the video) that caused that blackout there.

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