Solar power rip off! Aussie government destroyed free electricity. Scum!

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  • Bungi Bill
    Bungi Bill

    There were a number of issues at work during last year's system collapse in South Australia.

    For a concise but highly informative discussion about this, the latest issue of Australasian Transmission and Distribution has reprinted a summary from the University of Queensland's Chair of Electrical Engineering. Contributing to this power blackout were the stability issues that a high proportion of distributed generation introduces.

    Photovoltaic cells and wind turbines do not have the ability to respond correctly to abnormal system voltages. The South Australian system voltage surged after the Heywoods Feeder tripped off. That in turn caused four out of the five base load units in South Australia to trip off on overvoltage. Following this, massive load shedding had to take place to maintain system frequency. More than just the weather was at work here, despite what Malcolm Turnbull is quoted as saying.

    Having been much involved in the commissioning of base load generation, I can vouch for the intense efforts that go into fine-tuning the turbine / generator controls so that these can react to correct system disturbances ( whether of voltage or frequency). These commissioning and post-commissioning tests can go on for many months afterwards, before the results are deemed as being satisfactory. Distributed (or "embedded") generation simply does not have that ability.

    At the Electricity Engineers Association conference that I attended last June, this issue was raised a number of times. Not only was concern expressed about lack of sufficient corrective response from embedded generation, but also the difficulty in then putting the system back together afterwards. ("Islanding" is the term electrical engineers use for this situation, and from experience, I know that it can be a difficulty even in a small power system). When everything was owned and operated by one entity (which in the case of South Australia was ETSA), that was quite straightforward. It isn't anymore, and this introduces major delays in power restoration.

    A stable electricity grid is still required - if anything, more so now. Not surprisingly, power system operators dread a system collapse, like South Australia recently experienced.

    You can also have gas powered plants to pick up any slack. T

    That still requires a stable grid - as do wind turbines.

    Once again, the latest issue of Australasian Transmission and Distribution features a very informed discussion about what happened last year in South Australia.

  • pepperheart
    pepperheart

    If you want to know about unstable grids have a look on youtube for the power cuts in america in 2003 where about 50 million people lost power for a couple of days

  • pepperheart
    pepperheart

    Also on youtube have a look at the largest solar power plant in the world in india.National geographic made a program about it in 2016

  • Village Idiot
    Village Idiot

    Bungi Bill,

    That still requires a stable grid - as do wind turbines.

    Why would a network of wind; photovoltaic; concentrated solar power with molten salt or hot sand (They collect energy in the day and have enough during the night to still produce power.) - why would all of these not be able to provide a stable grid? The more varied sources you have, each complimenting the other, the more stability you get.

    Also, you may ask the Chinese why they're ramping up their production of windmills by about 50% per year. They already have 3% of their total needs met by windmills. They are also extending their grid to power far off regions in their country.

    Bottom line, it's working in other nations.

  • waton
    waton

    add Moon power, the tides, water coming in and going out.

  • Bungi Bill
    Bungi Bill
    why would all of these not be able to provide a stable grid?

    To maintain a stable electricity grid, your sources of generation need to be able to both produce and absorb VARs (Volt Amps of Reactance), in a controlled manner, and often at very short notice. If you have ever operated a power system, as I have, you quickly find out about that one! (Also, the more sources of energy into the power system, the more critical this becomes).

    Photo Voltaic cells do not have this capability, and with wind turbines, it is very rudimentary. (Our network has a small wind turbine- type generator feeding into one corner of it, and it is no exaggeration to say that this plays hell with the voltage regulation in the immediate locality.


    PS: That the Chinese may be extending their wind generation capacity is beside the point.



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