Karl Marx Genius Of The Modern World

by Brokeback Watchtower 94 Replies latest watchtower beliefs

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  cofty

  I haven't looked into Mao or Pol Pot. If those situations resulted in a minority ruling over the majority I don't think this is what Marx meant by "dictatorship of the proletariats".

  No it was the dictatorship of the ignorant, jealous, grabbing majority that justified unlimited tyranny. And once the most wealthy and powerful are dead the bar gets lowered further until there is a race to the bottom; where poverty and ignorance are the greatest virtues. Where soft hands are enough to justify execution and possession of a scarf deserves hours of public humiliation.

  Please do research The Khmer Rouge and nightmare of Mao tse-Tung's revolution.
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  cofty

  During his time in the remote north-east, Pol Pot had been influenced by the surrounding hill tribes, who were self-sufficient in their communal living, had no use for money and were "untainted" by Buddhism.

  When he came to power, he and his henchmen quickly set about transforming Cambodia - now re-named Kampuchea - into what they hoped would be an agrarian utopia.

  Declaring that the nation would start again at "Year Zero", Pol Pot isolated his people from the rest of the world and set about emptying the cities, abolishing money, private property and religion, and setting up rural collectives....

  To see what happened to those who failed to embrace the agrarian utopia do a Google Images search for "Khmer Rouge genocide"

  But Pol Pot's genocide at around 2 million souls was trivial in comparison to Mao ZeDong's toll of 45 million in "The Great Leap Forward".
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  cognisonance

  Thanks for the info Cofty. I'll look into this when have the time to digest it.
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  _Morpheus

  Again, communism and its related philosophies take away individual liberties with authoritarian centeral governments and no one on this thread has shown a single example where that is not true. Not a single one.

  Whatever its flaws, capitalism demands everyone be responsible for themselves and do something with their life to survive by empowering individuals. It may sound brutal but its liberating and i wouldnt trade my individual rights for all the nanny states in the world.

  Less government. More personal freedom. Screw commies.
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  jp1692

  “Many forms of Government have been tried and will be tried in this world of sin and woe. No one pretends that democracy is perfect or all wise. Indeed, it has been said that democracy is the worst form of Government except all those other forms that have been tried from time to time.” - Winston Churchill
  
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  MeanMrMustard

  Socialist economies **CAN'T** calculate. Prices, profits, and especially loses have specific functions. Without these the economy can't calculate resource usage.

  It *IS* as simple as "capitalism = good, socialism = bad".

  MMM
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  Brokeback Watchtower

  Interesting quote from WC, JP.

  I'm not sure about what form of government is better. I do kind of agree with Plato but I can't find the quote I think it goes something like this: "Governments degrade into Democracy and that the best one could hope for in his day was a benevolent dictatorship".

  To me for Democracy to be good depends on the intelligence of the people in the democracy, because how can the people rule if they don't know anything about the thing they are voting on. Democratic elections in the USA play on the ignorance of the people, myself included and so it's a crap shoot. If intelligent people are making better decisions then that's good but how can one vote beneficially if they know nothing about the subject . I think Plato's government of choice was not a democracy but Aristocracy where the best qualified for ruling were in power.
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  Brokeback Watchtower

  Cognis,

  Some good points.

  I posted video about the man Karl Marx not about the communist state after all He was brilliant economist, and his ideas(not really read up on the man al that much) offer some sage advice IMO.
  
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  Brokeback Watchtower

  I sure we can all agree that no government on earth today is the type of government Marx invisioned that implements all his ideas.
  
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  Brokeback Watchtower

  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IyrhoHtSkzg