EXJW's in Mensa?

by Luther bertrand 29 Replies latest jw friends

  • David_Jay

    In line with the post by GrreatThinker--

    I have a "high" IQ, was a child prodigy, and still test high on intelligent quotient tests in adulthood. I qualified for membership in Mensa International after my first test in my late 20s.

    However, there is no such thing as a standard scale for measuring an IQ. I learned this after my first exam from the psychologist who tested me.

    When people say "I have an IQ of 130" that doesn't mean anything because of the lack of a universal standard scale. The "130" is a score on a particular test, and it can be equal to an "83" on another and a "157" on another, and be called "average" on a totally different one that doesn't employ number scores.

    Mensa International accepts for members those whose IQ test(s) reveal scores above 98% of the testing population, or at 2% or less on the far right of the Bell scale. If, just to give an example, you tested at "130" on a certain exam, but according to how the population is testing "130" was the average adult score for those taking the same test, then you wouldn't qualify.

    If "130" on a totally different exam was only reached by 2% or less of the testing population, then you could be accepted as a Mensa member.

    But there are things you need to take into account:

    1. Most people, except for the most mentally gifted, will test lower and lower on IQ tests as they age. If you took a test as a youth, your score on the same test will likely be lower today (and that's totally normal for most).

    2. High IQ scores don't always mean "smart" people. Just because you can beat any computer playing chess doesn't mean you have what it takes to balance a checkbook or get along with people or make a success of your life. Most people with high IQs have low EQs, meaning they have a hard time emotionally relating to the general public. Many of these people cannot hold down jobs or handle intimate relationships.

    3. "Genius" doesn't guarantee "high IQ" or vice versa. Some people are very talented or have extremely high mathematical IQs but very low language IQs. Just about anyone can be a "genius" in their own field, but very few people with high IQs ever do anything that gets noticed by the world as "genius."

    Lastly having a high IQ has nothing to do with religion. My pioneer partner and I roomed together for two years, both of us lucky enough to meet another in the Org who tested above average on IQ tests. But he was much more higher on the IQ totem pole than I was, scoring in the 1%. He also couldn't relate to the average JW or at least play along as I did.

    I left the religion of the Watchtower after about only a decade of being in but he never did. I heard that he passed away just last year, still a JW. Logical thinking can only take you so far if you don't allow yourself access to data without prejudice. If you don't get all the information, your conclusions are always incomplete or incorrect.

    My buddy wouldn't study the Chruch Fathers or accept certain conclusions of particular biologists and physicists, apply critical hermeneutic principles when approaching religious texts or accept any conclusion contrary to what came from the Governing Body. Why not? Because besides being right or correct, we often want to believe we are good people. He knew these things were not what made a "good" person in the eyes of the Witnesses.

    So he chose to believe that the measurement for "good" was the JW leadership. Logically, with this as an unchanging, unbending ingredient to any formula you develop, no matter how well you keep thinking principles in check, the conclusions will always be wanting.

    So a high IQ doesn't mean much, nor does being an "expert" at thinking logically (he was a professional technical problem-solver for big companies). We are rarely gifted to be a good judge of our own wants, desires, and emotional needs and how we let these cloud are judgment from time to time. And humans in denial will deny they are in denial.

    Add to this, sometimes we confuse being correct or right with the moral quality of being "good." Being smart, intellectual, educated, a genius, and even correct are not moral qualities. But since we get raised being rewarded for good grades, get praise for parroting the "correct answer" at Watchtower studies, even promoted at work for often "thinking" in line with our employer's philosophy, it is never easy to separate the two.

    You don't have to go to college, have a high IQ, or even be a specialist at forensics (logical deduction) to leave the JWs behind. You only need to be willing to open your eyes, accept facts regardless if they agree with you, and have the courage to leave it all behind. It doesn't take brains, necessarily. It takes will power and a desire to "do" right more than merely "be" right.

  • problemaddict 2
    problemaddict 2
    Ex-JW's should be honorary members if nothing else. Ha.
  • ssn587
    Went to mensa site took test scored 147 whatever that means?
  • Designer Stubble
    Designer Stubble
    I am a Mensa member, since 1991.
  • JW_Researcher

    David_Jay's explanation is correct. Score is not the qualification; it is percentile.

    My grandmother and mother were/are members so I joined after exiting. Chapters vary as they are made of people who vary. While I've done very little with the group (scored some scholarship essays, etc.), I enjoy the publications.

    It has never been my experience that Mensans think they're "special" or whatever. It can be difficult to find others with like abilities at times so....the round table makes sense.

    Since I have so little to do with the group (other than reading the publications), I often found it difficult to justify the dues so I became a life member.

    There are some obviously bright folks on this board and elsewhere. Mensans certainly don't have the "intelligent interaction" market cornered.

  • Luther bertrand
    Luther bertrand

    JW_Researcher thanks for your "on topic" response. I am guessing that there are not EXJW Mensa SIGS?

  • fulltimestudent

    Mensa and humour - years ago I managed a small company owned by a guy who was a member of Mensa.

    We would sometimes get out of the office to have a quiet talk, free from the everyday burdens of business. I recall at one such pub/coffee shop meetup, we discussed the role of intelligence in life.

    Naively, I thought (then) that intelligence and wisdom were connected. My boss shocked me by telling me that likely the most intelligent person in the Australian branch of Mensa was an invalid pensioner who lived in small shack, on the edge of a desert town somewhere in Australia. This person, claimed my former boss, was so intelligent that he couldn't hold down a job,

    What do you think?

    I have sometimes wondered whether Freddy F was in the same category?

  • GrreatTeacher

    Ah, the border of intelligence and madness.

    Autism with savant abilities. Linked genes. Has madness remained evolutionarily because of linked genes with high intelligence?

    Interesting stuff.

  • fulltimestudent

    So far away from Freddy's imagined happenings in the Judeao-Christian superworld, there's a game show called 'The Brain (?). The question mark being replaced by the name of whichever country the shows produced in. It has a German origin, but the version I'm currently intrigued by, is a Chinese version, hence its, "The Brain-China."

    The Wikipedia entry for this TV show describes three phases (See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Brain_(game_show)

    Phase 1, A qualifier round (a search for people with special mental skills)

    Phase 2, An elimination round.

    Phase 3, Challenges.

    The judges are experts in neuroscience.

    There are annoying aspects in the current version (have not previously watched the earlier versions), that may mainly be attributed to its TV roots, but otherwise its interesting to watch people with special mental skills.

    Recently an "idiot savant", often ridiculed in his small home village as an imbecile, beat a mathematics professor (from a prestigious university), in complex mental, mathematical calculations. Interesting to watch. Of course, the mainly young audience (students?) all seemed to have the answers in seconds from their scientific calculators. (will their calculating abilities atrophy?). Of course, complex calculations are one of the things that I.S. are good at.

    In Australia, this show can be seen (with sub-titling) on SBS-32.

    Thinking of Freddy F, is there a class of idiot savants who excel in their imagination? That would explain a lot (grin).

    (edited to add - Grreat teacher, Did not see your post until after finishing this one. Our minds are in tune)

  • GrreatTeacher

    Yes, one of the current thoughts on autism and savantism is the bandwith theory.

    They use so much brain power/ bandwidth in these very specualized abilities that there's little left for abstract things like social skills or emotional skills.

    Their brains are incredibly overconnected in some areas which produce these amazing abilities, but leaves little room for connectionc to social and emotional brain areas (ie the amygdala).

    In other words, the brain can only compute so much and extraordinary usage of certain areas leaves no room for development of other abilities.

    But, evolutionarily the deficits might be worth the extreme intelligence in other areas.

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