They Did It!!!

by snowbird 58 Replies latest jw friends

  • blondie
    blondie

    On the Senate side, where several Republicans have long been deeply skeptical of the House effort, the bill is expected to undergo sweeping changes that might leave it unrecognizable — perhaps stripping away some of the provisions that helped earn the support of hard-right House members and ultimately secure its passage.

    The Republicans’ narrow 52-member majority in the Senate leaves little room for defections, and several Republican senators have worried aloud about the House measure. Their concerns include insurance costs for poorer, older Americans and funding issues in states with high populations of hard-to-insure people.

    Another chief obstacle is reconciling the reservations of Republican senators from states that expanded Medicaid under the Affordable Care Act — including Senators Rob Portman of Ohio, Lisa Murkowski of Alaska, Cory Gardner of Colorado and Shelley Moore Capito of West Virginia — whose constituents would face rollbacks under the House bill. (Aides to Mr. Portman and Ms. Capito said on Thursday that their concerns remain; the offices of Ms. Murkowski and Mr. Gardner did not immediately respond to messages.)

    https://www.nytimes.com/2017/05/04/us/politics/senate-health-care-bill.html

  • sir82
    sir82

    The US healthcare system is a disaster - one of the most expensive and also least effective.

    Agreed.

    And the AHCA would make a bad system infinitely worse.

    President Bumblehead, literally minutes after gloating over his "victory", praised Australia's single-payer medical system. We no longer need comedy writers - Cheeto writes his own material.

    Senate GOP leaders have said they will scrap the House version and start their own from scratch.

    The House Freedom Caucus has said that if even one word changes from what they passed, they will vote "No" on the reconciliation attempt.

    This bill has approximately 0% chance of becoming law.

    The passage of this bill was 100% pure unadulterated politics. GOP House members, particularly in battlegraound states, can now say with a straight face, "Oh I voted to repeal Obamacare! It's not MY fault the ACA is still in force."

  • Lostandfound
    Lostandfound

    Herein the UK Obamacare is a word, we have no idea what it means or how it works. One thing about US medicine I understand is that surgeonsand specialists are very highly paid, but so is a top lawyer or tradesman. What words falling out of the US debate worry me are Insurance, affordable, our government dying to makeealthcare 'affordable' NOT, dying to get Insurers involved, PROFIT. Virgins non tx paying Branson suing the NHS so he can extend his 'for profit (but no tax)' tentacles further into NHS. Conservatives will have free rein after the election, fat private equity will be crawling all over our NHS.

  • ttdtt
    ttdtt

    Anyone who thinks the TrumpCare plan will benefit them - has not read it.

  • ttdtt
    ttdtt

    Hmm - maybe someone can point out the GREAT parts of it?

    Big CLUE - All of Congress and their Staff are exempt from major parts of it.

    SOO GOOD THAT THEY DONT WANT IT!!!

    FYI - almost ALL Congress had Obama Care - and most of them are RICH.

    Funny how they all didnt reject that horrible piece of legislation?

    Oh well - Billionaire Trump has my back I am so sure of that.

  • kpop
    kpop

    So many comments and so few knowledgable people. Everyone wants to simply claim that the ACA was woking fine and we could have continued with it. WRONG! The soultions are complex so it is laughable to see silly comments with simple solutions.

    With that said, this latest bill is NOT the solution to the underlying problem that is the American healthcare system. One of the biggest problems that is preventing the system from working properly is eliminating fraud. I've only seen a few people actually mention this, one of them Rand Paul and a few other Republicans who are serious about fixing the problem. Fraud costs all of us and the system.

    I'm friends with a doctor who has his own practice. He said the biggest obstacle in providing quality care and still staying open is the malpractice insurance which costs more than his entire overhead. This again, relates to fraud and of course, malpractice lawsuits which is the next big problem. Only in America, if you spill a hot coffee on your lap, can you win $20 million. Only in America, if a doctor makes an unnecessary scar on your thigh can you sue for millions. In Korea and I believe in most of the world, there is a thing called a scheudle of payments and the awards are very small, almost too small. If a doctor accidentally amputates the wrong toe in Korea, you get something like $2000 USD. Just two thousand dollars equivalent. Now while a toe is not a life threatening thing to lose, it is something that needs to be awarded a proper amount. This is a way other health care systems in the world are able to run their programs.

    Next, prescription medications. In America, there is so much unnecessary regulation regarding simple drugs and the entry to free markets. Which is why you can fly to Mexico and pick up a year's supply of Percocet for $50 and a $20 "prescription" from a "Doctor."

    The entire heathcare system would need to be dismantled and rebuilt from the ground up. The question is, who is going to fix it? Who is going to invest in such an endeavor that would not see the benfits for years? No politician would take the risk.

    Another thing to consider, uninformed Americans (mostly liberals) love to say, "but healthcare is FREE in other countries." Let me be clear -- NOTHING is free. The money comes from someone's pocket. In Europe, the company you work for pays 50% and you pay 50% which comes right out of your paycheck. Income taxes are very high compared to the United States. In Korea, the system is single payer but the whole system is broken, causing many people to get poor quality service if they earn little money and good quality service if you make a lot. And it gets more and more expensive each year. My point is that the grass is always greener on the other side but once you get there, is it really all that green?

    I know some witness friends from Germany and they told me that many people pay extra money just to have private health insurance because you get much better care and you don't need to wait 6 months to see a doctor. And private health insurance in Germany costs MORE than in the USA. If I remember they told me $700 USD equivalent per month. Don't quote me on that but I remember it was more than what I am currently paying.

    Now the reason why Obamacare (The Unaffordable Healthcare Act) was a complete disaster for most familes was because it didn't address the problems above. It simply provided a bandaid solution and spread the pain. I know people who saw their premiums go from $200 to $500 with $5000 deductibles. I know, because I'm one of them.

    But it was pretty obvious when Nancy Pelosi said, "We need to pass it to see what's in it..." that is was a complete lie. Sure enough, the "if you like your doctor, you can keep your doctor...." was a complete lie, as was the, "the average American family with save $2500 per year on healthcare..." another major lie. Then again, that is what corrupt politicians do like religious leaders. Tickle the ears and make the people feel good.... sell them snake oil.

    As I said, it's complicated. Who will have the guts to revamp the whole system?

  • snowbird
    snowbird

    The proviso that states set up high-risk pools is scary.

    Especially considering some states' dismal track record on health issues.

  • kpop
    kpop
    The proviso that states set up high-risk pools is scary.

    Everything is scary, if you don't understand it.

  • snowbird
    snowbird

    This bill was ramrodded through the House, same as ACA.

    Lies are being told about its provisions, same as ACA.

    We shall see if it will be same old, same old when it hits the Senate.

  • snowbird
    snowbird

    No, everything is scary if you live in a state like Alabama that takes pride in defying the Federal government.

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