Hell Exists

by Poppy520 63 Replies latest watchtower beliefs

  • venus


    If we come to Mathew 25:31-46 through Mathew 13:33, then we know that first part of history is like heaven on earth and second part of history is hell on earth. Look at the present condition of earth:

    When we found King was corrupt, we replaced one king (hereditary) with many corrupt kings (democratic)

    We learned from history that we don’t learn anything from history [we are preparing for a 3rd World War]

    We replaced old economic system another one which is always swinging in the hands of speculators.

    We poisoned the air we breathe, water we drink, and food we eat …

    We killed anyone who tried to bring in light into the world ….

  • Coded Logic
    Coded Logic
    Many people of all denominations are beginning to believe that Hell does not exist - but the Bible supports the claim that it does.

    WARNING: PEDANTIC POST AHEAD (you've been warned :)p


    The Bible "makes the claim" that hell exists. It doesn't "support the claim" that hell exists. These are two entirely separat propositions.

    Because making a claim is a conclusion. Whereas supporting a claim is a premise.

    a judgment or decision reached by reasoning.

    base an argument or theory. A line of evidence used to support a position.
    "the reforms were premised on our findings"
  • ttdtt

    "Hell is other people"

  • hoser

    Hell exists. Otherwise referred to as the Kingdom Hall!

  • Brian J
    Brian J

    Talking snake who's words change the entire space time continuum as we know it

    A human living in the belly of a whale, able to breathe, while whale swims around for days, until puking human onto dry land

    Every species of animal both male and female, FOUND and then LOADED on a boat while roaming 1/2 demon people raped and pillaged all around. God closes door and drowns an earth filled with innocent babies and the unlucky animals who didn't get a golden Wonka ticket.

    Seer stones and magic spectacles used to read golden plates from God.

    People grinding their teeth eternally in a oven.

    Cat in the Hat.

  • LoveUniHateExams

    I guess I know where I am heading for, then! - me too.

    I'm heading for hell, a place where all the bad people end up.

    I'll look forward to lots of drinking alcohol, banging porn stars and smoking dubious substances.

  • punkofnice

    Speaking in general terms about the bible. It's amazing the level of delusion people have when reading a clusterf*** of a book that was bunged together, by some blokes. They made it bits and pieces of fairy tales and decided which fairy tales were real or not.

    Just because a lot of people believe this nonsense and have built up a society around it, doesn't mean a word of it is true. I used to think it was all true because of the culture and society I was born into.

    It really doesn't take much thinking about to realise it's all piffle. God, Jesus, Allah, Odin don't and never have existed. I'm sorry about Odin; I really liked him.

  • Vanderhoven7

    From my book entitled, "Eternal Torment: Image and Reality"


    Matt.25:31-33, 41-46; The Parable of The Sheep and The Goats:

    When the Son of Man comes in His glory, and all the angels with Him, He will sit on His throne in heavenly glory. All the nations will be gathered before Him, and He will separate the people one from another as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats. He will put the sheep on His right and the goats on His left... Then He will say to those on His left, DEPART from me you who are cursed, INTO THE ETERNAL FIRE PREPARED FOR THE DEVIL AND HIS ANGELS. For I was hungry and you gave me nothing to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me nothing to drink, I was a stranger and you did not invite me in, I needed clothes and ye did not clothe me, I was sick and in prison and you did not look after me."

    They will answer, "Lord, when did we see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or needing clothes or sick or in prison, and did not help you?"

    He will reply, "I tell you the truth, Whatever you did not do for one of the least of these, you did not do for me."


    Who is included in this judgment scene?

    NOTE: The focus of the previous "Church Age" exclusion parables was essentially on servants - various classes of people within or on the periphery of the church were included in most of these exclusion parables. But this formal scene includes all humanity. This is perhaps the most terrifying of all of Christ's parables, one that clearly pictures doomsday and eternal separation.

    Does this scene represent the final (post millennium) judgment?

    How do we know?

    I think most would agree that the judgment scene in this parable and resulting punishment is final. The question is: Is the nature of this final punishment a conscious experience of unending pain or could this punishment simply represent destruction which is eternal in the sense that there will be no recovery from it? Let's look at the passage.


    - Is Eternal Torment explicitly taught in this parable? OR

    - Is Eternal Torment demanded by the imagery in this passage?

    IMAGERY: There are two basic images used in this passage that have been traditionally interpreted to denote torment - "eternal punishment", and "eternal Fire. Now I think it would be fair to conclude from the text that Eternal Fire and Eternal Punishment are equivalent terms because eternal punishment in this parable is represented as a banishment into eternal fire. But do either of these combinations necessitate conscious suffering?

    WHAT ABOUT "ETERNAL PUNISHMENT": Does the word "punishment" or the words "eternal" and "punishment" together imply or necessitate torment?

    To Punish (according to Webster's) is

    1. to impose a penalty on for a fault or crime.

    2. to inflict a penalty for (i.e.. treason with death)

    3. to inflict injury on: syn. chasten, discipline, correct.

    COMMENT: The Greek "kolasis", used only twice in the New Testament, is the word translated "punishment" in this text. Its primary signification is to "cut off" or prune or lop off; its secondary meaning is to restrain. 13 The primary meaning here would suggest that while the righteous go to life, the wicked are forever deprived of or "cut off" from life. 14 About kolasis, Fudge says;

    The Septuagint puts 'kolasis' for mikshol, which means a

    stumbling block that leads to ruin. The word Jesus uses is

    applied to the Egyptian plague (Wisdom of Sol.11:13; 16:2; 24)

    but also to their death in the Red Sea (Wisdom of Sol.19:4).

    It refers to punishment by death in I Samuel 25:31 and Ezekiel

    21:15. "Punishment" may certainly include conscious pain, as

    in all the examples above, but it does not have to. The same

    word is applied to an idol of wood or stone in Wisdom of

    Solomon 14:10, which says that, "that which was made [idol]

    shall be punished together with him that made it" 15

    - Could the "eternal punishment" of the wicked simply be

    "eternal death" or "everlasting destruction"?

    WHAT ABOUT ETERNAL FIRE: We've come across this imagery before. But does "eternal fire" clearly denote either conscious experience, or a continual burning flame which causes endless suffering? Or could "eternal fire" simply be a metaphor for eternal destruction? Interestingly, because something is eternal/everlasting in scripture does not necessitate endless perpetuity of action. For example, the scripture speaks of "Eternal Judgment", Hebrews 6:2, not in the sense that the final judgment scene will be reenacted day after day for eternity, but that a final judgment will be made that will have eternal consequences for the wicked.

    - Similarly, rather than denoting an endless process of ongoing

    torture, could "eternal fire" be descriptive of a destruction

    which is unending in the sense that it is eternally irreversible?

    - In other words, could the consequences of the fire be eternal

    and not the burning process itself?


    Eternal conscious punishment is not the clear teaching of the Old Testament, whether one looks for it inside or outside of "hell". Eternal torment is not unequivocally found in either "Hells" of the New Testament, nor is it the clear message of Jesus' eschatological teachings in the gospels. Could it be that the doctrine of eternal conscious punishment will be established by the plain teachings of the Apostles in Acts or in the Epistles? Let's Look and see:

  • venus

    Even Hitler understood that we cannot look for facts in scriptures: "Christianity brought conscious falsehood in the religious matters to the world.” From Adolf Hitler - rozmowy przy stole 1941-1944)


    Hence don't look for proof of hell in the Bible

  • WTWizard

    I don't even go by that damnation book any more. To me, "hell" is actually located around one of the stars on the Belt of Orion, and is a protected place for souls awaiting reincarnation. There is nothing hideous about this place.

    Heaven, on the other hand, is where joke-hova lures souls to be consumed to help that thing enslave the whole universe. There is actually a cube of light, where souls are lured into, where this happens--the light source is the energy of destroyed souls. If you do not want to have your soul being used to enslave the world, this is where you do NOT want to go.

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