Know it’s not true but stay anyway (page 3)

LongHairGal

DESIROUS OF CHANGE:

Regarding that often repeated phrase: “It is the Closest thing to the Truth”, JT and Lady Cee of Critical Thinkers put out a great video on this topic a few months ago. It’s a shorter video just under ten minutes.

Witnesses should really watch this because it points out how wrong this lame thought process really is.. He points out the obvious: “Closest to the Truth is still wrong”. They use snippets from a movie depicting John Glenn wanting ‘the smart girl who can run the numbers’ before he would entrust his life and get in that space capsule. He wanted certainty.

JT has some hard hitting things to say about how Witnesses made life altering decisions (about careers, finances, health) on the say-so of men who had no education and had NO certainty about any time frame (or anything else it would seem)... People who listened to their advice are paying the price today!

He also humorously pointed out that these men ain’t missing No meals.. Don’t we all know that! Too bad the same can’t be said for so many older Witnesses around the world today who believed they did not need to work to plan for their future.

blondie

Attributed to Jerry Garcia: "“Constantly choosing the lesser of two evils is still choosing evil.”

DesirousOfChange

"Da Troof" is an awful lot like a tall, refreshing glass of iced water on a scorching hot day . . .with just a very few drops of urine in it. There may be a lot that is "refreshing" about what JW's spout, but the fact is there are those few drops of urine in everything they say that pollutes the whole glass!

Brother, we are going to mark you "Good" on your use of illustrations and move you on to the next point of counsel on your next post.

DesirousOfChange

Witnesses made life altering decisions (about careers, finances, health) on the say-so of men who had no education and had NO certainty about any time frame (or anything else it would seem)... People who listened to their advice are paying the price today! ~ LHG

Unfortunately, that is SO true, and SO common.

However, I do NOT see many of the younger people in our area doing that. It seems they are not really convinced about the "nearness" of The End and are hedging their bets by accumulating assets. They are building/buying nice homes and investing in pensions and 401(k) plans. And, they are all taking very nice vacations.

blondie

DOC, yes, they don't have the push of the end is near after 1975, 1995, overlapping generations concepts being shared/ Some of my contemporaries even quit high school before 1975, and then when it didn't come then, they had to go back and get their diploma or a GED to qualify for any kind of paying job.

DesirousOfChange

Some of my contemporaries even quit high school before 1975, and then when it didn't come then, they had to go back and get their diploma or a GED to qualify for any kind of paying job.

Blondie, we saw that in this area too. Young guys quitting high school to go do a job requiring a lot of manual labor but paying (what seemed like) good money at the time. They figured they only had to do it for a little while since THE END was SO very, very near. As time went on they got old and the physical labor was killing them. Many were unable to keep up the physical pace required and found they had no other skills to earn a good living. Others hung on as long as they could until they could qualify for disability or finally early Social Security.

Those same ones were also marrying as teenagers, fearing they wouldn't get to have sex if they waited until the New World. No surprise that marrying young and dumb (tho full of ***) led to lots of problems and eventually lots of divorces, and if not divorces then decades of problem marriages.

Elena

Jehovah’s Witnesses are not the closest to the truth. There is no truth every human being on Earth is agnostic.

The true definition of diagnostic is you cannot prove that God exists and that you cannot prove that God doesn’t exist or evolutionist cannot prove to me that God does not exist. This means they are diagnostic by definition.

This is why I am staying Pima which stands for physically in mentally agnostic

joey jojo

St George of England
If I walked away now I would lose far more that I would gain, family members, friends

It all comes down to this for a lot of JW's, especially born-ins.

Im sure a lot of people living in North Korea know they are living in a propaganda filled, bad fairy tale - even if its only at a sub-conscious level. But what do they lose by trying to escape? Nothing comes for free.

moomanchu

Top 10 reasons people stay in a cult. (not necessarily in order of importance)

1. Sunk cost fallacy

2.Family/friends

3.Fear

4.Lazy

5.Narcissism (special, chosen people)

6.Gullible

7.Willfully ignorant (ignorance is bliss)

8.Stupid

9.Want controlled group think

10. Brainwashed

TonusOH

We are unable to disprove the existence of anything that doesn't actually exist. Yet, we are not agnostic about all of them. In fact, we comfortably live our lives as if these things are not real. Even in some of the cases where we do believe, we still live our lives without constantly peering over our shoulders.

The "agnostic" part of PIMA is doing some incredibly heavy lifting, and it's a smokescreen. What the A really stands for is "afraid." Afraid of losing family and friends to shunning. Afraid of losing the only social support that you were allowed to build. Afraid of losing stature in the small, tight-knit community you can't seem to escape. Let's call it what it is: Physically In, Mentally Afraid. Agnosticism has nothing to do with it.

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