Free Speech - Jordan Peterson Debate Live 9:30 EST Saturday

by cofty 85 Replies latest social current

  • cofty
    cofty

    Professor Jordan Peterson of the University of Toronto will be streaming a live debate on his YouTube channel on the topic of Free Speech and "Bill C-16".

    If you haven't heard (where have you been?) Peterson has been making waves by opposing the demands of PC "Social Justice Warriors" at the U of T to use their chosen gender neutral pronouns. In his judgement proposed "bill-C16" will make his non-compliance illegal - an egregious threat to free speech.

    Professor Peterson is an intelligent and thoughtful academic who has found himself at the focus of attacks from the neo-Marxists that are dominating the conversation at elite universities.

    If all of this is a mystery to you have a look at his channel and do some research on recent events. Free speech is under attack from Authoritarian PC activists. If I have time I will be watching the debate or else catch up with it later.

    Here is his latest update before the debate and, below that a confrontation he had recently on the campus.

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  • slimboyfat
    slimboyfat
    "Jacques Derrida was the most dangerous person who lived in the twentieth century".

    Ha! At least he recognises Derrida's importance, I suppose, which is more than some. Truly we live in a Derridean epoch.

    One could say, what is really happening is that we are waking up from the platonic slumber western civilisation has been inhabiting for the last nearly two thousand years or so. Which you might think anti-Christians would welcome, discarding the reality/appearance distinction, the ideal, and the world beyond this world.

  • Simon
    Simon

    Wow, that 2d video. I almost want to cheer the Nazi's if they'll shoot that stupid bitch.

    People like that are exactly WHY Trump and his supporters won the election. Their end-game is to be so annoying that 90% of the electorate will want them silenced and won't feel sorry when they are.

    "You aren't using my pronoun". Sheesh.

  • slimboyfat
    slimboyfat

    I think the key part of the argument was was Jordan Peterson said he didn't care what people called him and that it wouldn't bother him if people referred to him habitually as she and her. I just don't find that believeable. Imagine all his colleagues and students and acquaintances referred to him as a woman no matter what he said to try convince them to stop. Of course most men would find that uncomfortable bullying or worse. It would be enough to drive some people crazy. So why did he lie about that? I guess it's because he has to pretend that would be okay in order to be consistent in his position. But if you have to lie in order to make your position appear reasonable then something has gone wrong.

  • coalize
    coalize

    "Derrida was the most dangerous person of the 20th"

    Seriously?

    The 20th is the century of Hitler, Stalin, Pinochet, Ceasescu, Polpot, Mussolini,

    And Derrida is the most dangerous?

    Be serious...

  • zeb
    zeb

    She sounds like the sort of creature that would make Jesus smack her one.

  • bohm
    bohm
    Professor Peterson is an intelligent and thoughtful academic who has found himself at the focus of attacks from the neo-Marxists that are dominating the conversation at elite universities.
    If all of this is a mystery to you have a look at his channel and do some research on recent events. Free speech is under attack from Authoritarian PC activists.

    I watched his video and quite frankly, I think there are bigger and more obvious democratic threats at the moment than a bunch of blue-haired kids who wish to be called "xir" in Canada.

    That free speech is supposedly under threat in Canada because of the change to legislation is very much his interpretation of the relevant legal texts, and his argument that him being "silenced" (eh what? Is he not having a public debate?) because of actions of his university is very weak: It is common that universities have a stricter code of conduct than the rest of society, for instance, you can be fired or reprimanded for conduct that would not meet the legal standard of harassment.

    On the other hand, on the most positive interpretation, a very sizeable portion of the US electorate is positively being trolled by organized troll news outlets and live in an information bubble where they can't take informed decisions because they believe fundamentally false things. Worse yet, according to US intelligence, this was partly orchestrated by Kremlin.

    I think Peterson is doing his best to drum up controversy on this particular subject because he understands that there is a huge audience who wish to be scared and outraged of the SJW boogyman (I think it should be dubbed "outrageporn" or "outragebait"). In fact, the SJW boogyman is both very rare, and without elaborate arguments not very scary. If Donald Trump wanted me to call him "they" I would just shrug or laugh, however, I am not laughing at the idea of creating a national database and doing mass registration (violating the first and fifth amendment). Where the heck is the "don't want no gun database" crowd?!

    In fact, the SJW boogyman is both very rare, and without very elaborate arguments not very scary. If Donald Trump wanted me to call him "they" I would just shrug or laugh, however, I am not laughing at the idea of creating a national database and doing mass registration (violating the first and fifth amendment).

    By the way, the analysis that the "crazy left" is the reason people voted Trump in his other video is exactly the same kind of argument that the crazy left uses when someone confronts them with examples of "crazy left" behavior ("oh yes they are rioting and that is not right, BUT THAT IS BECAUSE...").

  • scotsman
    scotsman

    Do you remember when some women asked to be called Ms? The sky fell down then too.

  • cofty
    cofty
    Do you remember when some women asked to be called Ms? The sky fell down then too

    I have never referred to anybody as Ms in my life, I have also never referred to a man as Mx and never will.

    Bill C-16 makes it illegal to decline to pander to anybody's latest whim regarding their gender identity or expression. If somebody decides that this week they are skoliosexual and prefer to be referred to by pronouns like Zi and Hir the law will demand that Canadians comply.

    Jordan Peterson explains why C-16 is a threat to free speech here (specifically starting at 20 mins)

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  • scotsman
    scotsman

    Cofty , I've asked you this before but you've never answered: have you met anyone in real life that has asked you to use a different pronoun from the one you expect?

    (intrigued you've never used Ms, have you known the first name and marital status of every woman you've ever been in contact with?)

    edited to add: in my work I never use Mrs in correspondence unless asked to.

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