Egyptian Plans To Sue Jews Over Exodus Gold

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  • NeonMadman

    Egyptian Plans To Sue Jews Over Exodus Gold Item 4183 • Posted: Fri, Aug. 29 2003 • Weblogged by Religion News Blog

    Forward(USA), Aug. 22, 2003
    By Max Gross

    A prominent Egyptian legal scholar is preparing a lawsuit against Jews around the world over gold allegedly stolen in biblical times during the Jewish exodus from Egypt.

    Nabil Hilmy, dean of the faculty of law at Egypt's Zagazig University, announced his plan in the Egyptian government weekly, Al-Ahram Al-Arabi, according to the Middle East Media Research Institute - known as MEMRI - a group that specializes in translating articles in the Arab media. Hilmy reportedly told Al-Ahram that if the story of the exodus is to be believed, Jews fleeing Egypt "stole from the Pharaonic Egyptians gold, jewelry, cooking utensils, silver ornaments, clothing, and more, leaving Egypt in the middle of the night with all this wealth, which today is priceless."

    Calling the alleged heist the "greatest fraud history has ever known," Hilmy said that he and a number of Egyptian jurists will sue "the Jews of the world" for these lost treasures, the value of which Hilmy estimates in the trillions of dollars.

    "If we assume that the weight of what was stolen was one ton," Hilmy said, its worth "doubled every 20 years, even if annual interest is only 5%... hence after 1,000 years it would be worth 1,125,898,240 million tons... This is for one stolen ton. The stolen gold is estimated at 300 tons, and it was not stolen for 1,000 years, but for 5,758 years, by the Jewish reckoning. Therefore, the debt is very large."

    Hilmy said that he and Gamil Yaken, the vice president of the Egyptian community in Switzerland, had "set up a legal team to prepare the necessary legal confrontation aimed at restoring what the Jews stole a long time ago, to which the statute of limitations cannot possibly apply."

    Hilmy said that while the defendants would not be able to repay the debt in full, Jews around the world - particularly Israelis - should pay their fair share: "There may be a compromise solution. The debt can be rescheduled over 1,000 years, with the addition of the cumulative interest during that period."

    MEMRI's report has already created a tremendous splash in Israel, according to the organization's president, Yigal Carmon, who oversaw the translation of Hilmy's interview from Al-Ahram. "We had 1,200 reactions on our Web site," Carmon told the Forward. "We sent it to [all] our subscribers ‹ one in five reacted," one of the largest reactions the group has ever received.

    Carmon said if he had read the Al-Ahram article on April Fool's Day he would have assumed it was a joke, but "it's a reality. This publication is like [the Egyptian equivalent of] the Sunday New York Times insert - it's a serious publication."

    Hilmy did not specify where he planned to file suit, but should the case ever reach a courtroom, Alan Dershowitz - a Harvard Law professor and author of "The Case For Israel" (Wiley) - told the Forward, "I'd be happy to defend the Jews." Calling Hilmy a "clown" who "obviously knows [only] a little bit of law," Dershowitz said that the scholar's "ridiculous" suit invites a countersuit from the Jews over reparations for their enslavement in Egypt. Such a countersuit, Dershowitz said, could also be calculated in the trillions of dollars and would expose the oppressive life the Jews led under Egyptian slavery.

    Not that Dershowitz believes that Hilmy's case will ever be heard in court: "There's no court that would be open to a lawsuit like that," he said. "Maybe an Islamic court with an elbow, a foot and an ass on the scale."

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  • Yerusalyim

    Quite recently a UN delegation went to Israel to try to mediate between the Israelis and Palestinians. Arafat and Sharon both appeared before the commission via live video feed as they have sworn never to be physically in one anothers presence.

    Arafat made a quite impassioned plea before the commission spelling out all the Palestinian grievances quite convincingly beginning in 1948 and working to the present.

    Nonplussed, Sharon got up to make a defense of Israel's conduct. He said he'd like to relate a story of Jewish History first.

    "It seems" he said, "that as Moses lead the Israelite from Egypt they were given by God to wear the same clothes for the entire 40 years of their sojourn in the desert. For 40 years Moses let them...out of Egypt...into the wilderness...through the Sea of Reeds...across the desert...and to the promised land. The people were often hungry or thirsty. Near the end of their journey they began to complain to Moses about the lack of water yet again. As always...Moses prayed, struck a rock...and water came forth...forming a large pool of refreshing water. After the Israelites had drank their fill, Moses, weary of bone, decided to renew his strength by bathing in the living water. He went to the far side of the pool, near it's source and away from the people...disrobed, and relaxed in the cool water. Just then, a group of 12 Palestinians came and stole his robes..."

    "Wait just a minute" demanded Arafat, "there were no Palestinians in Canaan at that time!"

    "Thank you President Arafat", said Sharon, "and with that I'd like to begin my address to this august body."

  • Simon

    If you think about it, that's quite a canny move ...

    If they claim they didn't come out of Egypt with all the gold then they don't have the biblical claim on the land.

    I don't think the claims really have any merit either way though. It's like us suing Italy because of the Romans or Brazil suing Spain etc ...

    The past is the past, especially the ancient past.

    Yiz ... the semetic claims that no one existed in palistine is rediculous propaganda beyond belief ... why would there be a vacuum of population in such a fertile area when there were people all around it. If you looked at the history of the Palestinians / Cananites and Jews you will see that they are likely all descended from the same group (ther reason why they are genetically identical) and there was no big conquest.

  • Yerusalyim


    I've never heard any tales of Canaan not being populated before the Jews arrived. The point of the story being that the Jews identified themselves as a people long before anyone who could claim the name "Palestinian" was on the scene.

    I do concur that the process was more assimilation than conquest.

  • czarofmischief

    I'm going to sue the states that seceded during the Civil War for the following reasons:

    1) They invaded my home state of Pennsylvania and tried to steal shoes from a place called Gettysburg.

    2) They owe me a pair of shoes.

    3) Somebody I'm related to (no, I'm not sure who) died fighting to protect our shoes.

    4) I have a traditional right to those Gettysburg shoes, although they no longer exist, but therefore I am entitled to a pair of shoes from the south.

    5) Most tellingly, my current pair of shoes is wearing out. Therefore I'm owed a pair of shoes.

    The only reason I support Israel is because it is our only democratic friend in a region of fanatical dictator/kings.


  • SixofNine

    LOL. It would actually be nice to put this into a real court.

    What's the evidence this exodus happened again? Oh, none? B'bye!

  • Simon

    Yeru, I don't quite see what your point is. All that has changed is the name.

    Would you deny that Americans lived in the USA in the 1700's because they were not called "American" then?

    This claim that Palestinians didn't exists is misleading and sinister ... it seeks to excuse a lot of acts by pretending that people were not there. Of course there were and always had been.

  • RunningMan

    In the year 24,368 BC, Grog hit my great-great-great(to the 230th power) grandfather with a mamoth bone, causing irreparable damage to his left ear.

    As well, some of my family's property was destroyed in the flood.

    Where can I register my claim?

  • Yerusalyim


    There's actually little to lead one to believe that there is much of a connection between the native people of Canaan and Palestinians. Or if one makes the case that there is a connection...then why aren't the Jews also considered descendents?

    Which acts do you think I'm trying to excuse, the Israeli defense of it's borders? Yep...that would be true...I find no excuse for strapping on a bombing and killing babies and pregnant you?

  • Double Edge
    Double Edge
    hmmm..... seems like the Jews would have quite a counter-suit, what with Jews being in slavery to the Egytians for a few hundred years.....and the beat goes on.......

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