Another encounter, this time it was Will and an older gentleman by the name of Cliff who likes history, front wheel drive vehicles and has a 'Toy' open top car.
I asked Cliff where he thought the myth concerning the Greek god Zeus was copied from.
Cliff made the claim that the Greek myths of Zeus and such originated with the bible account of Nephilim, angels who cohabited with women.
He also left the book "Mankind's search for god".
It appears Will does not recognise me or remember our last conversation, and he said as much.
Cliff returned today and spoke about trinity, walking by sight and faith, bible timeline, 7 times, showed me a timeline chronology graph he had drawn up to show another h/h with 607bce as the date of the destruction of Jerusalem, and he mentioned returning with the booklet " gods word or mans?".
I told Cliff that I was doing a bit of religious research as a matter of academic interest and I didn't trust the bible as an authority but was interested in finding where the bible contains historical truth with verifiable proof.
He wasn't able to provide anything other than watchtower approved material, and when I told him his explanation wasn't to my satisfaction he proceeded to feign banging his head on the brick wall at my door.
I really didn't want to push him on his points although I could have, I felt it was better just to listen rather than comment without being proficient on the subject.
Cliff returned with the book; "gods word or mans?" Due to time constraints we were unable to converse other than general niceties.
Cliff came around today with Damian? Where we discussed many subjects relative to Mormonism, Seventh day Adventists, Catholicism, integrity to truth, research methods and so on.
Now here's the interesting part:
Cliff asked me if I had any Questions I would like to ask before they left.
So I asked both of them if they knew what the Reasoning book had to say on page 200.
Their response was... no, so I suggested they try looking it up.
They both got their devices out and attempted to access the Reasoning book on jworg.
They were unsuccessful. I mentioned they may not be able to find it on jworg, perhaps it has gone out of print?
Me: Well guys, why don't you make a note; page 200. Reasoning from the scriptures. Let me know your thoughts on what it says there, after you've have time to ponder for yourselves, once you find it of course.
Cliff askes: Can you give me one or two words to describe the subject ?
Me: Last days....
We shook hands and then they were gone.
It will be interesting to see if Cliff has a truthful explanation for that little doozy.
Cliff returned again, this time with a young lady. He announced he had done some research on my question regarding what the Reasoning book had to say about the last days, on page 200.
Me: Ok, great what is your take on it ?
Cliff: The watchtower has changed its view on the generation teaching as New Lite has been discovered that showed that the generations actually overlap.
Me: Well, then that could allow for the overlapping generation to potentially overlap indefinitely, and we would all be long dead before we could rightly say that the generation had in fact passed away.
Cliff: The generation that overlaps is limited to those who were born prior to 1914 and saw the events happen- And the lives of those who were born after 1914 but before the death of the last of the ones who saw those events.
I'm getting up in years as you can see, therefore it cannot be long now.
Me: What then, if the new generation teaching is wrong?....and that overlapping generation does die?
Cliff: Then we have a problem...
Me: Time will tell Cliff.
But I suggest there is the very real possibility when the new generation teaching fails they will deny they ever taught that and make it sound as though it was a few rogue brothers or overly zealous ones who promoted such an erroneous teaching.
-----At this point I was interrupted by my wife who doesn't like having Jws standing at our door for too long. Just in case the neighbours get the wrong idea we might be interested in becoming cult members.-----
So we shook hands again and they were gone.... I haven't had a visit since from the door to door lifesavers; the only Jws I have encountered thereafter are family and their friends who are nice people just like the rest of us.
And again, going by the frequency of the preaching work and methods used to present this 'good news' that no-one can remember, how can anyone proclaim it as a lifesaving urgent work??