What does the Watchtower Society's History of Prophetic Speculation Prove?

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  • waton

    For watchtower adherents, taking the current prophecies seriously is a lif and death matter, .because You are "cast out to satan for destruction--" if you openly dissent from current wt prophecy/predictions. nevertheless,

    The current wt time prophecy is already proven false, before we wait for the inevitable disappointment again as late as 2075. how so?

    Jesus said the endtime generation would not pass, before all, ( including the end), occurs.

    wt writers, having made the generation overlapping, and anointed contradict Jesus. because they predict,that

    the anointed generation will pass away to heaven, - not after the end-, but before it, the Great Tribulation even seriously starts.

    The speculation, and fall out, prove, that they are killers of innocents.

  • Rocketman123

    All the prophecies we have commented upon are scripturally based.

    Yes but done so falsely to support the organization's agenda of literature proliferation.

    The WTS created a Gospel of Jesus that wasn't scripturaly accurate or honest.

    There was greater appeal to sell rather than be loyally devout to Jesus and his instructions for preaching his Gospel.

  • Sea Breeze
    Sea Breeze

    It proves that they tried to end the Church-Age Dispensation over a hundred years too early and then use that as an excuse to tell everybody to stop joining the New Covenant with Jesus "for the forgiveness of sins" (Mt. 26:27-28) since the Kingdom was supposedly already here (meaning in the form of the F&DS). According to them, all a person has to do is listen to them blah, blah, blah, join their organizational-like ark and presto - "probably you may be concealed...".

    I believe this:

    The reality is that Matthew 24 and Revelation 6-18 do not refer to Church-Age Events.

    True, portions of Matthew 24 have been fulfilled in the last 2000 years to some extent, (e.g., false teachers, false signs, false Christ's, earthquakes, wars), but the prophecy mainly describes the events of Daniel’s 70th Week.

    Christ spoke of “the beginning of sorrows” in verses 4-8 as false teachers, wars, famines, pestilences, earthquakes. The “beginning of sorrows” refers to the general course of the church age. The things described in Matthew 24:4-8 have been evident throughout the age and have grown in intensity particularly in the last century.

    But the beginning of sorrows more particularly refers to the first part of the Tribulation. And Matthew 24:9-30 clearly refers to events of the Great Tribulation that the church-age believers will not see. ("he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved" is the WT mantra)

    By contrast, Church age salvation is frequently spoken of in the past tense: Eph. 2:8, cf. 2 Tim. 1:9; Titus 3:5

    The WT consistently applies scriptures designed for the Tribulation Saints to themselves since in their prophetic speculations, they believe they are living in a different time period than they actually are.

    The bible says to "rightly divide the word of God". Of course this implies there is a way to wrongly divide it. The WT is a perfect example of wrongly dividing the word of God.

  • Anna Marina
    Anna Marina

    What does it prove? With a little leaven they become hypocrites. And true to form they even say it themselves but point the finger at someone else, with of course 3 fingers pointing back at them.

    *** kc chap. 11 p. 101 par. 11 Kingdom Illustrations ***

    Viewing the sorry result of apostasy in Christendom, the “little flock” of Kingdom heirs and their companions today should beware that the “leaven” of false, deceptive teachings is never permitted to contaminate their heartfelt appreciation of the purity and truth of the “word of the kingdom

    (Matthew 16:12) . . .Then they grasped that he said to watch out, not for the leaven of the loaves, but for the teaching of the Pharisees and Sadducees.

    (Luke 12:1) . . .In the meantime, when the crowd had gathered together in so many thousands that they were stepping upon one another, he started out by saying first to his disciples: “Watch out for the leaven of the Pharisees, which is hypocrisy. . .

  • Rocketman123

    Short answer, it was an endeavored commercialized fraud that was supposedly stamped approved by god by the men who created it.

    Fear beget fear, ignorance beget ignorance and there were many false doctrines

  • waton
    Science operates along these lines too Vh

    but when again and again you get no results at all, you, wt, has to realize that there is something wrong with your data (the bible) or your methodology, your idea to interpret it, or both.

    In science, you formulate a theory, make a prediction that a set of experiments, or observations should show definite, defined results, and then observe.

    wt is repeating the same experiments over and over again, and Deuteronomy has harsh words for those doing it in the name of the deity.

  • neat blue dog
    neat blue dog

    He's saying they're all 'pre-existing' prophecies, and therefore JWs haven't originated any NEW prophecies and therefore aren't prophets. This isn't true however.

    Example 1: The Great Tribulation & "this generation" - In this prophecy by Jesus, he clearly said that it had never happened before and 'nor will occur again', so they are making a new fulfillment.

    Example 2: 1925 - This was based on counting jubilee years etc. and was not even based on a prophecy to begin with. Therefore, it is a wholely original prophecy, and was said to be 'confidently expected' to come true.

    More examples could be cited, but all that is needed is one. Deuteronomy clearly and simply states that anyone who claims to speak 'in the name of Jehovah' and who's words don't come true is a false prophet and is to be ignored.

  • BluesBrother

    What does it prove? To put it bluntly it proves they know ##'## all! They are groping in the dark as much as the rest of us.

    To use their own comments :

    Wt April 2020.

    "For one thing, Bible prophecies are often best understood when they are undergoing fulfillment or after they have been fulfilled. But there is another factor. To understand a prophecy correctly, we generally have to consider its context. If we focus on only one aspect of the prophecy and ignore the rest, we may draw the wrong conclusion. In hindsight, ........"

    So we cannot know the fulfilment until AFTER the event. Excuse me but that is what anyone can do. I can tell you now that Finland beat Denmark at football last night, in bizarre circumstances. If a man had understood that in advance that would have been something - but we can all see it now.

    You are just stating what is evident it is not Spirit direction or gifted insight just human observation . Hindsight is a different thing..

  • waton

    The concept of " what you have bound on Earth will be bound in Heaven" clearly does not apply to wt leadership, or readership. Even

    wts, retrospective pro-nouncements, such as that they were appointed as the end time Faithful and Discreet Slave in 1919, after the dead apostles were resurrected in 1918, have no root in facts, given the discredited teachings they publicized at the time.

    we need and have very accurate predictions of future events. and in the afternoon of 4 / 8 / 2024 total darkness will descend on one of my special pioneer assignments. I hope to be again / still there in line. & time.

    astronomical science can predict position of heavenly bodies to the second, the meter, and now land their craft smack there.

    craftier than wt, sticking to the laws, which wt does not.

  • sloppyjoe2

    My response would be then what is the point in trying to understand any prophecy? If you can’t understand them until AFTER they are fulfilled they provide no value at all. We believe the generation that was alive in 1914 won’t die before the great tribulation. Ah whoops let’s change that to something else. So what was the point of having the original understanding for decades? All this response of the apologist really means is, stick to the organization regardless if they’re right or wrong. We will keep changing and call it better bible understanding as it suits the organizations needs. The ONLY belief among witnesses that cannot change is that the GB are Gods channel and the watchtower is his organization. Everything else can be subject to change.

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