What has SARS Cov 2 been doing since 2004?

by BoogerMan 20 Replies latest social current

  • BoogerMan
    BoogerMan

    In 2002-2004 - during its first time around - that "pandemic" killed 774 people worldwide and then "evaporated."

    Strange how viruses "work."

  • TD
    TD

    That was a different strain.

    SARS-CoV and SARS-CoV-2 are close, but not the same virus

  • BoogerMan
    BoogerMan

    Looks like SARS Cov-1 evolved into SARS Cov 2 all on its own during its years of inactivity.

  • cofty
    cofty

    Viruses live harmlessly in host species for centuries. Human bodies contain many viruses, some of which are beneficial. When they make the transition to a new species - often via an intermediate such as in the filthy disgusting Chinese wet markets - they cause disease as the new host has no immunity.

    It's basic science unless you have some half-baked conspiracy theory you're too timid to share - as always.

  • slimboyfat
    slimboyfat

    Lots of meat markets are disgusting, in China and elsewhere (how we store and transport pigs and chickens, as examples) but if there’s good evidence that this virus originated from wild animal meat sold in a meat market (rather than from the laboratory in Wuhan which specialised in bat coronavirus research) then I’m very interested to hear it.

  • TD
    TD
    Looks like SARS Cov-1 evolved into SARS Cov 2 all on its own...

    SARS-CoV-2 probably arose in the same fashion.

    Viruses are incapable of reproducing on their own. Instead they take over the internal mechanisms of a host cell.

    It's roughly analogous to a tank bursting through the walls of an automotive factory and forcing the workers to produce tanks instead of cars. The copies of the original tank then go on to attack other factories.

    Sometimes two or more closely related viruses will attack the same cell at the same time and the result is a fusion between the two. --A chimera with an affinity for other species too.

    In this case, the other species is unfortunately, us.


  • LV101
    LV101

    We'll probably never know w/that atrocious, execrable, China. This killer virus after Obama handed over multi-millions to the lab and Fauci/Chi Con scientists - more wasted taxpayer money.

  • jwundubbed
    jwundubbed

    SARS, MERS, and Covid19 are all coronaviruses. Covid19 is a strain that directly came from SARS. SARS did not evaporate. It mutated and evolved which is exactly what viruses do. The link below is a good article that explains the history of coronavirus and talks about how viruses evolve.

    WebMD article on the history of coronavirus

    This WHO web page has a list of years we had disease outbreaks. They go back to 1965 and include other outbreak diseases like Ebola as well as the Coronaviruses. Just select a year and you can see what the diseases were doing.

    WHO timeline of disease outbreaks by year

    I know if feels good to rail against the system, but it really isn't hard to look this stuff up. I got these two articles within 3 google searches. If you want to understand diseases and how they work, try looking up information easily provided by WHO, CDC, and WebMD... just to start. Medical and university provided information is likely to be reliable.

  • 2+2=5
    2+2=5

    I enjoy the science, I just don’t trust WHO or the Chinese, Dr Fauci, Trump, the media or the majority of our government in Australia.

  • fulltimestudent
    fulltimestudent

    SBF - "Lots of meat markets are disgusting, in China and elsewhere (how we store and transport pigs and chickens, as examples) but if there’s good evidence that this virus originated from wild animal meat sold in a meat market (rather than from the laboratory in Wuhan which specialised in bat coronavirus research) then I’m very interested to hear it."

    Wet markets and what I call semi-wet markets are common throughout the world. This ABC article (the Aussie govt owned ABC, not the USA ABC) describes them. https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-04-17/what-are-wet-markets-in-china/12159920

    I sometimes shop at one in Sydney in Ausstralia (located in Flemington) - here's a pik.


    This is the main F & V market in Sydney and on saturdays it transforms into a retail market. Sells a lot of seafood that's why I'd call it a semi-wet market.

    It used to be located close to the city. I worked there when I was a pioneer, much less hygienic in those days, When I was even younger I used to trap rabbits the family would eat the rabbits and I'd sell the skins to a guy who used to travel around to buy them. Lot's of rabbits then, the English released them in Australia and they become a pest. The govt. released the myxoma virus and that got rid of the English rabbit problem. I also recall my father catching and caging (to fatten them) a fruit bat and a black swan, so we could eat them,

    Australia has also had some good luck escaping corona viruses on two occasions, The worst outbreak came from infected horses who caught it from bats. See the WHO description - https://www.who.int/health-topics/hendra-virus-disease#tab=tab_1

    But you asked, " ... if there’s good evidence that this virus originated from wild animal meat sold in a meat market (rather than from the laboratory in Wuhan which specialised in bat coronavirus research) then I’m very interested to hear it."

    I think that its a bit early to know too much (and also too close to political questions rather than biological questions) but I noted this news item today, on the web-site of one of Australia's media units.

    "Spanish study finds coronavirus traces in March 2019 sewage sample."

    https://www.sbs.com.au/news/scientists-find-coronavirus-in-spanish-wastewater-collected-in-march-2019

    If this study can be replicated it may confirm that the reports of 'mysterious" flu symptoms that may have been the corona virus affecting the world.

    There's also reports (from a few months ago) that research at Cambridge University indicated that this virus came from further south than Wuhan. This report from the Hongkong based South China Morning Post.

    Quote: "The first outbreak of the coronavirus could have happened further south than the central Chinese city of Wuhan as early as September, according to a team of scientists led by the University of Cambridge."

    https://www.scmp.com/news/china/science/article/3080380/coronavirus-outbreak-may-have-started-september-say-british

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