1975 and the burning question/s??

by UnshackleTheChains 34 Replies latest watchtower scandals

  • freddo

    And the question for paragraph 35 which "bennyk" has put up in the previous post?

    35. Why is this no time for indifference and complacency?

    *** w68 8/15 Why Are You Looking Forward to 1975? ***

  • minimus

    What I figure is this --- if anybody was really upset about 1975 they would've left no later than 80 at the end of the decade. Those who stayed on just accepted that they were going to serve Jehovah in spite of any dates. The majority of people that were witnesses are gone from the 1975 belief. They are either dead or have left. So I don't think it's a major issue. Because nobody really cares.

  • Gorbatchov

    The big question for me is: why do they take this dirt out of the bin in 2017? Heart no obe about 1975 since many years.


  • Chook

    It's absolutely crazy for wt to bring up this failed prophecy, then to lie about its true context. Any Jw who goes online and seeing that video with the apostates revealing what was really said can't deny head office is fraudulent. Google Vimeo Jw 1975 .

  • Muddy Waters
    Muddy Waters

    I know, Chook! It's absolutely crazy! Are they TRYING to wake people up??!!??

  • waton
    It's absolutely crazy for wt to bring up this failed prophecy,

    Chook you would think so, but they did, so, why? because

    WT knows that at the centennial, 2075, the overlapping anointed generation will turn out to be a failed prophecy too, assuredly, because it already has, no need to wait.

    Following the logic in the 1975 video, the spiritual strong don't believe a word of wt's words.

  • JW_Rogue
    They are trying to inoculate the sheep for when this issue is brought up.
    For them to state this during a convention only means that they are loosing followers over this issue. Going apostate has got to be at an all time high then ever before in history due to the internet.
    Hey assholes, you inspired from god mother fuckers are the ones who came up with the date. own it!

    I think they are trying to draw a parallel between 1975 and the generation teaching. Although the generation teaching didn't set a specific date, it was widely believed that the new system would be here shortly after the year 2000. I think the video wasn't directed at older ones, they were there and they know what happened. Instead it was really meant to be for younger JWs who went through the whole generation disappointment. To try to show that disappointments have happened before (without admitting error) but it is possible to stay faithful. By setting the video series in the past they are also trying to get young ones to believe they are part of some special heritage passed on from generation to generation.

  • UnshackleTheChains

    JT and Lady CEE explain the whole 1975 debacle really well


  • Anthony Morris DeTurd
    Anthony Morris DeTurd

    Hi friends. I lived through this time, and let me tell you, there was a whole bunch of us in special full time service in travelling work and at the branch who didn't buy any of the 1975 hype; most did, but some of us didn't. Then there was the "apology" in 1980 - lame! I said to myself, "If I ever make it onto the GB then I'd expose this whole 1975 nonsense." Well, now it's my turn. This is our way of saying, retrospecively, "You Franz groupies were a bunch of religious fanatics - we aint buying it!"

    For the record, I've cited the references that we printed at the time. Obey and be blessed!

    The book that planted the seed for 1975:
    "The published timetable resulting from this independent study gives the date of man's creation as 4026 B.C.E. According to this trustworthy Bible chronology six thousand years from man's creation will end in 1975, and the seventh period of a thousand years of human history will begin in the fall of 1975 C.E. So six thousand years of man's existence on earth will soon be up, yes, within this generation. So in not many years within our own generation we are reaching what Jehovah God could view as the seventh day of man's existence. How appropriate it would be for Jehovah God to make of this coming seventh period of a thousand years a sabbath period of rest and release, a great Jubilee sabbath for the proclaiming of liberty throughout the earth to all its inhabitants! This would be most timely for mankind. It would also be most fitting on God's part, for, remember, mankind has yet ahead of it what the last book of the Holy Bible speaks of as the reign of Jesus Christ over earth for a thousand years, the millennial reign of Christ. It would not be by mere chance or accident but would be according to the loving purpose of Jehovah God for the reign of Jesus Christ, the 'Lord of the Sabbath,' to run parallel with the seventh millennium of man's existence." Life Everlasting in Freedom of the Sons of God (1966) pp.26-30

    …with chart from page 35:

    Series of articles that "contributed to a build-up of the expectation" (w80 3/15 17 par.5)
    g66 8/10 19 "Does God's rest day parallel the time man has been on earth since his creation? Apparently so. In what year, then, would the first 6,000 years of man's existence and also the first 6,000 years of Gods rest day come to an end? The year 1975. It means that within a relatively few years we will witness the fulfilment of the remaining prophecies that have to do with the "time of the end"."

    km 3/68 4 (insert) "Just think, brothers, there are only about ninety months left before 6,000 years of man's existence on earth is completed. Do you remember what we learned at the assemblies last summer? The majority of people living today will probably be alive when Armageddon breaks out, and there are no resurrection hopes for those that are destroyed then."

    w68 5/1 272 par.7 "Within a few years at most the final parts of Bible prophecy relative to these “last days” will undergo fulfillment, resulting in the liberation of surviving mankind into Christ’s glorious 1,000-year reign."

    Words of caution? If Jesus' words of "nobody knows" sprang to mind, how should we reason?
    w68 8/15 500 par. 35 Why Are You Looking Forward to 1975? "This is not the time to be toying with the words of Jesus that “concerning that day and hour nobody knows, neither the angels of the heavens nor the Son, but only the Father.” (Matt. 24:36) "
    Same article, par.30, admitted that Autumn 1975 was not an exact calculation. But regarding possible adjustments it stated "It may involve only a difference of weeks or months, not years"

    g69 5/22 15 “If you are a young person, you also need to face the fact that you will never grow old in this present system of things.”

    w70 5/1 273 par. 5 "Bible chronology which indicates that Adam was created in the fall of the year 4026 B.C.E. would bring us down to the year 1975 C.E. as the date marking 6,000 years of human history with yet 1,000 years to come for Christ’s Kingdom rule. So whatever the date for the end of this system, it is clear that the time left is reduced, with only approximately six years left until the end of 6,000 years of human history. (1 Cor. 7:29) This corroborates the understanding of Jesus’ words that the generation alive in 1914 with the outbreak of World War I would not pass away until the end comes."

    g71 8/10 27 - diagram showing Christ's Millennial Reign to BEGIN in 1975 (after 6000 years on man)

    km 5/74 3 (insert) "Yes, since the summer of 1973 there have been new peaks in pioneers every month. Now there are 20,394 regular and special pioneers in the United States, an all-time peak. That is 5,190 more than there were in February 1973! A 34-percent increase! Does that not warm our hearts? Reports are heard of brothers selling their homes and property and planning to finish out the rest of their days in this old system in the pioneer service. Certainly this is a fine way to spend the short time remaining before the wicked world’s end."

    Admission of responsibility:
    w80 3/15 17 par.5 "With the appearance of the book Life Everlasting—in Freedom of the Sons of God, and its comments as to how appropriate it would be for the millennial reign of Christ to parallel the seventh millennium of man’s existence, considerable expectation was aroused regarding the year 1975. There were statements made then, and thereafter, stressing that this was only a possibility. Unfortunately, however, along with such cautionary information, there were other statements published that implied that such realization of hopes by that year was more of a probability than a mere possibility. It is to be regretted that these latter statements apparently overshadowed the cautionary ones and contributed to a buildup of the expectation already initiated."

  • waton

    Tony, thanks for the clear citations, so, you were among the spiritual strong that did not take the then published data seriously.

    Do you have problems with the spiritual strong that do not take the current wt hype, overlapping anointed, seriously today?

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