Nebuchadnezzar's 37th year matches the year 588 or 568 BC?

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  Rocketman123

  So the ending reality to what happened to Jerusalem and the surrounding area is that it was under servitude for almost 70 years by the Babylonian king Nebuchadnezzar but was only laid desolate for approximately 47 +/- a couple of years after he finally destroyed much of the city including the main temple in 586 BCE, captivating much of the predominant inhabitants to Babylon.

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  Jerusalem and Judah were desolate for 70 years beginning in 607 BCE until the Return of the Exiles in 537 BCE as confirmed by Ezrz, Daniel, Jeremiah and Josephus.

  It is simple as that!!!

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  Jeffro

  Your own comment demonstrates that the 70 years couldn’t have ended any later than 539 BCE when Babylon was ‘judged’. Also have to laugh at the tedious honorific capitalisation of pronouns

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  My comment demonstrates that based on Daniel 9:1-2 and 2 Chronicles 36:22-23 that the 70 years could only have ended after the Fall of Babylon in 539 BCE with the Return of the jews under Cyrus in 537 BCE.

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  Nothing about Daniel 9:1-2 suggests that the 70 years were ‘yet to be fulfilled’. Especially since by that time, Babylon had already been judged and “only when the 70 years have been fulfilled would judgement against Babylon proceed”.

  Daniel's words written after the Fall of Babylon in 539 BCE clearly show that the 70 years had not been fulfilled or completed thus requiring some discernment on Daniel's part. LOL

  Babylon's judgement as described in Jeremiah 25:12 could only have been applicable after her Fall in 539 BCE and after the fulfilment of the 70 years of Jewish Captivity or Exile.

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  Rocketman123:

  So the ending reality to what happened to Jerusalem and the surrounding area is that it was under servitude for almost 70 years by the Babylonian king Nebuchadnezzar but was only laid desolate for approximately 47 +/- a couple of years after he finally destroyed much of the city including the main temple in 586 BCE, captivating much of the predominant inhabitants to Babylon.

  There are we all happy now ?

  The WTS's dating of Jerusalem's destruction in 607 BCE has little or no background support from various confirmed sources including the bible.

  Turn the page and move on .

  I know these things have been done to death on this forum, but new readers come along all the time and it may be the first time they're seeing these issues.

  Aside from that, there are some minor issues with your summary:
  

  • Babylon's 70 years can be viewed as a round period, but the period from Babylon's conquest of Assyria in 609 BCE until Persia's conquest of Babylon in 539 BCE is exactly 70 years.
  • The period from the destruction of Jerusalem until the Jews returned to Judea is 49 years, which is the period indicated at Leviticus 25:8 (bear in mind that Leviticus was completed during the Persian period, so the reference to this duration is almost certainly not just a coincidence).
  • Jerusalem was definitely destroyed in 587 BCE, being the 19th year of Nebuchadnezzar including accession year and 18th year excluding accession year.
  • Most of the Jews had already been exiled in early 597 BCE.

  It is also worth noting that the 'prophecies' about Babylon in the Bible, which were heavily edited after the initial writing, are more accurately viewed as descriptions of what happened framed in a religious context.
  
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  Jeffro

  Sounds like a decline into ‘JCanon/Larsinger’ mentality. 😒 SDA theology is equally nuts (JW’s Adventist cousins really, given their common origins) so not keeping good company even without the JW rules about ‘bad association’. Somewhat enlightening about your pathology though.
  

  All that effort and still doggedly clinging to JW propaganda.

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  SDA Theology might be nuts in part but the scholarly community are indebted to the work of Edwin Thiele the celebrated Chronologist who championed 586 BCE for the Fall and not 587 BCE.

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  Tell us, oh great scholar, how attention was given to the Jews’ return after the Jews had already returned (as is required by the JW interpretation of Jeremiah 29:10-14). 🤣

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  Happy to. Simple the verse explains that Jehovah would fulfil His promise for the jews to be released from their captivity and exile returning home to restore pure worship.

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  Jeffro

  Who cares what you ‘have in your library’. You’re still wrong.

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  Having an adequate library to hand means that I can disprove your nonsense. HA HA HA

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  Jeffro

  Non sequitur. Unless you’re saying that you don’t know the contents of your own library until you post it on this forum. And you reject the contents of the books you boast about having. 🤦‍♂️

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  I know what is in my books for these are readily consulted in order to demolish apostate nonsense and have the freedom to accept or reject the contents.

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  Jeffro

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  My comment demonstrates that based on Daniel 9:1-2 and 2 Chronicles 36:22-23 that the 70 years could only have ended after the Fall of Babylon in 539 BCE with the Return of the jews under Cyrus in 537 BCE.

  No. It doesn't. Not even slightly. Since it was “only when the 70 years have been fulfilled [that] judgement against Babylon [would] proceed”, then the conquest of Babylon in 539 BCE necessarily follows the end of the 70 years. Which was then followed by the Jews returning to Judea.
  

  SDA Theology might be nuts in part but the scholarly community are indebted to the work of Edwin Thiele the celebrated Chronologist who championed 586 BCE for the Fall and not 587 BCE.

  586 is the wrong year. Hardly his best work. A notable individual advancing the wrong year only confused the issue, but the correct year is quite definitely 587 BCE.
  

  Simple the verse explains that Jehovah would fulfil His promise for the jews to be released from their captivity and exile returning home to restore pure worship.

  You haven't even attempted a valid response with regard to what the passage actually says. Your interpretation requires that the Jews arrive in Judea, the 70 years end, and then attention is given to their return. It is a complete distortion of the passage. I realise it's impossible for you to provide a valid response because your entire position is wrong. But you could at least try.
  
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  Jeffro

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  Having an adequate library to hand means that I can disprove your nonsense.

  Really? When's that going to start?
  
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  Rocketman123

  Thanks for the info Jeffro interesting
  
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  Rocketman123

  Response to Jeffro's nonsense:

  Babylon's 70 years can be viewed as a round period, but the period from Babylon's conquest of Assyria in 609 BCE until Persia's conquest of Babylon in 539 BCE is exactly 70 year

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  False: The 70 years are viewed by many scholars as a round number in order to accommodate a certain view or interpretation of the biblical texts and NB Chronology but the historical facts are quite explicit that the 70 years is a definite historical period.

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  ---The period from the destruction of Jerusalem until the Jews returned to Judea is 49 years, which is the period indicated at Leviticus 25:8 (bear in mind that Leviticus was completed during the Persian period, so the reference to this duration is almost certainly not just a coincidence).

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  False: This is a mere opinion for the 70 years is the period from the destruction of Jerusalem in 607 BCE until the Return in 537 BCE and has no bearing on the sabbath years in Lev.25:8 for this was a regulation under the Law but Jeremiah's seventy years was a prophecy.

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  --Jerusalem was definitely destroyed in 587 BCE, being the 19th year of Nebuchadnezzar including accession year and 18th year excluding accession year.

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  False. Jerusalem could only have been destroyed in 607 BCE with the 18th/19th year of Nebuchadnezzer, scholars cannot agree as to whether 586 or 587 BCE proposed dates for this event.

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  Most of the Jews had already been exiled in early 597 BCE

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  Many Jews were deported to Babylon 10 years prior to the Fall but the Exile did not commence until the Fall in 607 BCE lasting 70 years.

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  • It is also worth noting that the 'prophecies' about Babylon in the Bible, which were heavily edited after the initial writing, are more accurately viewed as descriptions of what happened framed in a religious context.
    --This is speculation without any evidence, utter nonsense.
    
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