Does anyone have info on the guy that sued Jw in Canada
Because he was shunned by his customers?
Thanks for posting that link, Terry.
Watching it now...
Randy Wall, a real estate agent was "disfellowshipped" from the Highwood Congregation for being drunk on two occasions and allegedly verbally abusing his wife.
As a result, he says his clients refused to do further business with him, so he argued his property and civil rights were affected.
Previously, Simon has made some interesting comments regarding the case
I think it's problematic to try and make it into a business-loss argument for two reasons:
First, you simply can't legislate for people to do business with you - they have the right to make their own choices. The only thing that would cover it would be existing breach-of-contract law if someone broke off a business arrangement that was committed to.
Second, I think most people should be aware that the rules within the group are rather strict for people who leave. So if a business depends on the owner being a member of a religious group (which sounds like "affinity marketing") then it should be planned for to reduce that dependency because, well, see the above - there is no way to force people to stay customers and it's a business risk.
It's like the reverse of the gay-wedding-cake situation ... imaging the religious couple decide they don't want to buy a cake from a baker who they disapprove of for some reason. Should they be compelled to buy the cake?
Seriously, it's one thing to complain that something is unfair and that the WTS have too much power and negatively impact people's lives, of course it is and they do. But what is the goal? What should be changed and how? What is the law that can be passed to prevent it? I would press a button and ban religion if I could, but that ain't gonna happen - assume that freedom of religion is not going anywhere, what's the outcome?
The decision before the court is do jw have the right as a religion to restrict a citizen from business dealings outside of the church's sphere. Is it mandatory or is it up to the person's conscience. Another words can a citizen be punished by another citizen for business dealings only.
Career does not care about religion freedom that affects the rights of its citizens to engage in business with other citizens. At does not have the right to punish someone for engaging in business.
Actually the questions before the court is:
How do the fundamental freedoms of religion and association protect membership decisions of religious communities and other voluntary associations from state and judicial interference – What are the boundaries between what is and is not justiciable with regard to membership and other disputes between members of voluntary associations – Whether the public law remedy of judicial review applies to membership decisions made by voluntary associations such as religious communities?
It does appear that you can watch the oral arguments for the Canadian Supreme Court from yesterday on their website.
John Davis: It does appear that you can watch the oral arguments for the Canadian Supreme Court from yesterday on their website
Yes, and, with thanks to wifibandit, on youtube aswell..... (starts at the one hour mark)