Pornography - Old Elders Letter But It Made Me LOL!

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  • steve2

    I cannot understand the mentality of religious nutters. Surely, from the perspective of their beliefs, Jehovah knows what they are doing so why confess to men who presumably before your confession, don't know what you've done? Is your relationship with God or man?

    This helps me grasp (pun intended) how it is that adult JWs remain like adolescents in outlook, needing to go to their "fathers" (elders) to tell them how naughty they've been.

    I'd be interested to know whether more recent published directions to elders on responding to disclosures of pornography acknowledges that accessing child pornography and/or bestiality are clearly identified as serious crimes.

  • FedUpJW

    Was it accompanied by masturbation?

    And don't forget, brothers, you must question him as to whether he used his right hand, his left hand, or perhaps BOTH hands. Find out if he used any kind of lotions or lubrication. Was it scented lotions, or not. Also be sure to ask if he stroked it many times before climaxing, or just a few quick strokes. Just a few is more forgivable than many. Did he just unzip, or did he undress. And of course you must determine if it is public knowledge and whether he invited others to join with him. After all WE the GOD know that porn and masturbation are not normally practiced in private, but rather are spectator activities. Just don't ask us HOW we know that though!

  • Fisherman
    and he reports this to an elder, such matters can generally be handled according to the direction in

    Does not not require that he must turn himself in.

    which might include child pornography, sadistic torture, bondage, gang rape, or the brutalizing of women, this would disqualify him from serving

    The person should not be serving whether or not his conduct is known. He should step aside because he is serving in a disqualified state.

    Your quote from the letter (?) says no JC, but your comment says it would be a JC??

    The latest information after 2006 says that a JC would be required if he gets caught or if it becomes known, for watching as a practice over a long time: sadistic sex, sex involving more than 2, same sex sex, and worse. Whereas, if a person actually commits sexual immorality, a JC is required and such person must turn himself whether it is known or not.

    We all like a bit of bondage.....

    Not all. Some people are actually appalled by non consensual sex between 2 adults whether real or fantasy, or anything else that degrades or harms anyone consensual or not.

  • sir82

    The person should not be serving whether or not his conduct is known. He should step aside because he is serving in a disqualified state.


    What color is the sky in your world?

    If all the porn-watching elders "should step aside", we'd end up with sisters conducting the WT study, conducting the CLAM, serving as COs etc. - there wouldn't be enough men left to fill all the roles.

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  • darkspilver


    2017 / 2018 Circuit Assembly: Don't Give Up in Fulfilling the Law of Christ!

    Fulfilling the Law of Christ When Unseen by Humans

    INTERVIEW (3 min.) [Scripted interview with an elder. The script does not need to be presented word for word but should be followed as a guide]

    Speaker: Please explain how some fall into the habit of viewing pornography.

    Elder: They may start by viewing provocative images that are not pornographic, such as people in swimwear and models in advertisements. They rationalize that such images are not so bad. As they continue to feed wrong desires, they gradually escalate to viewing worse things.

    Speaker: Can you elaborate?

    Elder: With a relaxed sense of danger, they may begin to channel surf late-night television or stray to inappropriate Internet sites when no other person is around. There are also emotional triggers that cause some to let down their guard, such as feeling hungry, angry, lonely, or tired. A married person may even find fault with his or her mate in an attempt to justify viewing pornography.

    Speaker: What can a person who is struggling with an attraction to pornography do?

    Elder: It is imperative that the person make it his or her responsibility to know and be guided by Bible principles.

    Speaker: Please share a few examples of Bible principles that have proved helpful.

    Elder: I'll mention three:

    Colossians 3:5 says: 'Deaden your body members as respects sexual immorality, uncleanness, uncontrolled sexual passion, hurtful desire, and greediness.' The word "deaden" vividly conveys the idea of striking improper sexual thoughts dead, not simply suppressing them. This means that the individual must be aware of how the things he views affect him and then immediately stop viewing anything that fuels improper desires.

    James 5:16 says: "Openly confess your sins to one another and pray for one another... A righteous man's supplication has a powerful effect." This means seeking help from others. Confiding in others, such as one's mate, a trusted friend, or an elder, will take courage and determination. Yet, it is a vital step in counteracting the pull of pornography.

    Philippians 2:13 says: "God . . . energizes you, giving you both the desire and the power to act." This shows that if a person prays to God and yields to His holy spirit, it will help him to conquer wrong desires and actions.

    Speaker: Thank you for reminding us of these Bible principles and their application, which have been discussed in our publications.


  • Chook

    Imagine a 14 year old baptised girl having to relay her viewing habits to a group of old men who have all masterbated, then they inquire about her strange feelings down there. The indoctrinated parents who really believe elders are gods representative march their kids to the confessional to their own children's demise. The personal experiences written over the years brings to light this perversion.

  • Wake Me Up Before You Jo-Ho
    Wake Me Up Before You Jo-Ho

    @darkspilver: " an attempt to justify viewing pornography."

    Well, maybe if the Society didn't instill such deep-seated guilt complexes involving such private matters, people won't have to play this mental gymnastics game of having to "justify" their personal habits. For goodness sake.

  • berrygerry

    The part about this letter that always got me, is that they mention child pornography as "just another" type of pornography, even if "abhorrent".

    Apology from HQ:

    "Jehovah's Witnesses view abhorrent child pornography."

  • Nevuela
    We all like a bit of bondage.....

    "Not all. Some people are actually appalled by non consensual sex between 2 adults whether real or fantasy, or anything else that degrades or harms anyone consensual or not."

    It was a joke, Fisherman. You don't have to take everything so seriously, bro.

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