Pornography - Old Elders Letter But It Made Me LOL!

by pale.emperor 27 Replies latest watchtower beliefs

  • pale.emperor
    pale.emperor

    Ok, this is from 2006. But someone on Reddit mentioned it and posted a link. My word, the micro-management and unnecessary lengths they go to to control:

    https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B2fYNzAbUpqFSnVQTXJMYXJVMGM/view

    My favorite parts:

    When the body of elders becomes aware that a brother has deliberately viewed pornography, two elders should be assigned to share with him Scriptural counsel. (Gal. 6:1) Timely information should also be considered from articles such as: “The Bible’s Viewpoint: Is It Possible To Overcome Bad Habits?” in the April 8, 2004, Awake!; “The Harm Pornography Causes” in the July 22, 2003, Awake!; “The Bible’s Viewpoint: Pornography—Is It Just a Harmless Diversion?” in the July 8, 2002, Awake!; and the series of articles “Internet Pornography—What Harm Can It Do?” in the June 8, 2000, Awake!

    After the initial visit, one of the assigned elders should periodically check with the brother to see how he is doing, giving him any further encouragement that may be necessary. Since he has been involved in unclean conduct, it is important that he get the help he needs to overcome this weakness and serve Jehovah with a clean conscience once again.

    A few things of note here. First off, they're using their magazines and not the bible to reason with someone. Secondly, they're going to check on the brother? Many women like porn too! And dont forget, if you look at porn you're weak!

    If an appointed servant inadvertently comes across a pornographic image while on the Internet, or in some other way, and he reports this to an elder, such matters can generally be handled according to the direction in the Kingdom Ministry School textbook, page 97, paragraphs 4-7. There is no need to evaluate his qualifications.

    Yep, even if you see something naughty by accident, you're still expected to turn yourself in.

    However, if an elder or ministerial servant deliberately views pornography, the body of elders will need to give the matter careful and prayerful consideration. First, two elders should be assigned to meet with the brother and obtain the answers to the following questions: Did he voluntarily come forward? Did it consist of a few brief incidents, or was it a consistent practice spanning many months, or years? What type of pornography was he looking at? Was it accompanied by masturbation? When was his last instance of viewing pornography? If married, and his wife is aware of his problem, what effect has this had on her? Who else is aware of the problem? Does he still have their respect? Has he demonstrated a sincere desire to desist from viewing pornography? Does his own conscience allow him to continue serving in an appointed position?

    Oh so many details needed! I cant help but think some of those elders are getting off on this. The poor guy could have avoided all of this by not turning himself in. If he was turned in by somebody else he should have asked if there were two witnesses. We all know the rule (2 x WITNESSES = GUILTY) but (-2 WITNESSES = LEAVE MATTERS IN JEHOVAHS HANDS) (no pun intended).

    On the other hand, if (1) he has developed a pattern of seeking pornography, or (2) on several occasions has viewed abhorrent forms of pornography that are sexually degrading, which might include child pornography, sadistic torture, bondage, gang rape, or the brutalizing of women, this would disqualify him from serving.

    Ho-ho! Looks like someone in Bethel has been busy on the internet. I've never heard of some of those things... We all like a bit of bondage, role play and slap and tickle from time to time Mr Watchtower. Live a little.

    Further, viewing hetero-oral or anal sex (on a video or computer), while certainly unclean, is not to be considered “gross” or “judicial,” though it may lead to removal as an elder, a ministerial servant, or a pioneer depending on the frequency and when it last occurred. With regard to viewing oral (or anal) sex of a homosexual or group nature, this is more serious.
    However, it would still not be considered uncleanness of a “gross” nature meriting judicial action, but likely would result in removal from an appointed privilege of service.

    Ok so there you have it. You can watch a man and woman having oral or anal sex on a screen and there will be no JC but if you watch two people of the same sex on TV then it does warrant a JC. Otherwise Jehovah will cry. Who thinks all of this up? This is exactly like the Pharisee's of Jesus day. Rules upon rules upon rules.

    All of this can be avoided by having your own conscience and just not telling anybody. I mean, whos business is it anyway? If someone does have a "problem" of looking at porn which is affecting their life in some negative way then i would think a properly trained therapist would be the ideal person to approach. Not a bus driver and a gardener in your local KH.

    So glad im out of this cult.

  • darkspilver
    darkspilver

    As the awakened-ex-co said - porn in general is a significant problem:
    https://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/6003644921020416/_post/4665337674989568


    With regard to viewing oral (or anal) sex of a homosexual or group nature, this is more serious. However, it would still not be considered uncleanness of a “gross” nature meriting judicial action.
    You can watch a man and woman having oral or anal sex on a screen and there will be no JC but if you watch two people of the same sex on TV then it does warrant a JC.
    Your quote from the letter (?) says no JC, but your comment says it would be a JC??
  • pale.emperor
    pale.emperor

    Your quote from the letter (?) says no JC, but your comment says it would be a JC??

    Sorry, i misread, a result of me laughing and reading at the same time.

  • Giordano
    Giordano

    I think its overkill. As far as I was concerned if my little general stood at attention I saluted it!

  • sparky1
    sparky1

    'Alright Brother Jerk and Squirt.........show me exactly what type of pornography you have been watching. I need to see all of it in order to know how to counsel you. Don't hold anything back because Jehovah sees what you have been watching anyway.'

  • pale.emperor
    pale.emperor

    Funny thing is, there does exist Jehovah's Witness themed porn out there on in interweb... i mean, er... so i've heard.

  • sir82
    sir82

    The part about this letter that always got me, is that they mention child pornography as "just another" type of pornography, even if "abhorrent".

    Owning / downloading child pornography is a federal crime, and yet there is no mention of allowing "Caesar" to fulfill their "God-given role" (Romans chapter 13).

  • tijkmo
    tijkmo

    and not retro-active.....wasn't proof of being directed by god admitting to mistakes ?.....previous decision was reversed not even 6 months later...but if you were a victim of the wrong direction then - tough

  • stan livedeath
    stan livedeath

    main problem with watching porn is you might pull your knob off.

  • snugglebunny
    snugglebunny

    It's just one of those things that seems like a good idea at the time! https://getyarn.io/yarn-clip/0e2b5a02-7b7e-4cad-8147-e8820cee55f8

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