My first impression is that they have a big problem with cleaning and maintenance where more than one congregation is using a hall. It looks like everybody is expecting the other people to take care of it. What a wonderful Christian attitude.
November 1, 2016 TO ALL BODIES OF ELDERS Re: Using and Maintaining Kingdom Halls
by wifibandit 42 Replies latest watchtower beliefs
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blondie
Sorry, Mephis, but those are the same ideas put forth to US congregations. I assume the WTS has some other way to enforce this.
JeffT, I attended many congregations that shared with another. The worst was clleaning after a meeting when another congregation would be the next attending one. It turned out that the elder in charge from the next congregation would "forget "every time so we'd have to do it.
Reminders in place:
Posted on information board
Announced at service meeting
Schedule given to each elder with his assignment highlighted.
Reminder given to elder responsible for cleaning after that meeting.
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darkspilver
I think the cleaning 'problem' has been exasperated in recent years by the disintergration of the local group arrangement - on group evening (tuesday?) there would often be the lone publisher or two who managed to remember your group's turn KH cleaning for the weekend, so it was more likely to get done - and a good turn out on f/s as we all stop early to clean the KH late morninging before lunchtime
I attended many congregations that shared with another. The worst was clleaning after a meeting when another congregation would be the next attending one.
For the Sunday, I think it works better to get your own 'crew/group' in early before the meeting and do the cleaning/tidy for your own congregation meeting before the meeting
Of course, if you arrive early enough, before the other congregation have fully left, then all the better...
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Mephis
Sorry, Mephis, but those are the same ideas put forth to US congregations. I assume the WTS has some other way to enforce this.
I can only speak to what happens in Britain with charities, trustees, property decisions, and how that relates to a letter sent to British congregations. But in the US the whole system is different, including the ability for HQ to re-run Menlo Park whenever they choose. -
FedUpJW
Imagine for a moment what the JDumbs would do if they got a letter worded the same way from their bank concerning the home they lived in.
No matter that you have the title to your home in your name, or that you have paid off your mortgage, the bank still owns your home, and it is up to you to keep sending in payments every month. Furthermore you must use your home and maintain it in the way we order you to do. You cannot repair or remodel your home without our permission.
I could go on but I am getting ill just thinking about this idiocy!
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FedUpJW
Interesting that property damage should be promptly reported to the police in contrast with child abuse reporting policy
Reminds me of a "safety" policy many years ago that a utility company instituted whereby they would reimburse an employee 1/3 of the cost of steel toed work boots, and $10.00 (US) for prescription safety glasses. An employee questioned why 1/3 of what at the time were $100.00 boots, but only $10.00 on what at the time were over $200.00 eyeglasses. The answer. . .you can shovel with only one eye, but not with only one foot!
Sounds like the same kind of hair-brained reasoning on the part of the Watchtower, Tract, & Tablet $ociety. Property must be maintained in a saleable condition, but molested kids don't stop real estate sales.
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flipper
As I stated on another thread concerning this- all these JW's are getting the rug literally pulled out from underneath them and they don't even know it. Those that DO suspect or know it- are too invested in the cult for life and can't admit to themselves they are being taken and conned big time
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FedUpJW
The only thing they have to do is claim that they invented wifi...
Well where I am located a brother made a big deal in one of his ten minute prayers to thank J for the provision of the internet that the governing body had provided so they would have an avenue to get the message out to people via J double you dot org.
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WHATSGOINGON
Okay, so this internet password thing is a big controlling measure.
On the surface it seems a bit strange but understandable.
But then...
I started to think even more about this last night.
I think IMHO that they are cracking down on apostates using the KH wi fi.
and also to check up on other sites that are being visited while at the hall.
I know it sounds far fetched but hey, there are lots of 'still in' awake members of this site, they state that they surf on here and other apostate sites while at the hall.
If everyone has an individual password can they track and see which sites are being visited by looking at the internet logs ?
Im not a tech expert but I am sure this can be done.
How will they know if a JW has accessed "bad" websites, because no one will confess this, will they be tracking everyone ? I don't know.
I don't think that a JW would access porn at the hall, like the letter suggests (maybe some crazy ones would) but apostate sites, yes for sure.
Cant they just allow access to JW.org and nothing else - maybe put a parent filter on or something, Im not an expert but maybe they could do that.
The thing is this...They don't want to mention apostate sites in their letter because then the rumour mill starts, elders wives gossip together and it gets around as to why there are passwords needed.
Then any awake ones will be forewarned. Maybe they just want to catch us out.
It seems like this is their way of tracking everyone.
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The letter says that, If you break the rules then they will take away your password.
Now to me this means that the passwords must be all individual ones.
It makes sense as otherwise they would have to change everyones password when someone 'sins'.
Everyone in the hall will know that someone has been a naughty boy !!
It also means we cant share our password with others, but how will they enforce this ?
They must have it set up so that each member of the hall can only access the internet using their password at one time.
If we are at the hall and our spouse or someone sitting near us notices we cant access the internet using our ipad etc, then they will know we have committed a sin.
We cant ask for their password, then they will definitely know.
If the password is the same for everyone who going to stop us sharing it ?
This is total control.
Im sure we would tell our spouse if we messed up but hey, what about our own personal privacy.
Maybe I am way off here, but I smell something and I think that they are cracking down.
On the surface it seems weird but understandable but now I feel this is even more controlling than before.
Also if they see our password used to access the net, to visit apostate sites then they have all the evidence they need.
WGO.
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kairos
It's all fun and games until a still-in apostate starts broadcasting their own WI-FI hotspot from KH property.
Which connection to choose,
"JWs are a cult"
"learn TTATT"
"JWfacts.com"etc,