Jehovah's Witnesses Called At My Door

by Roger Kirkpatrick 31 Replies latest jw experiences

  • Roger Kirkpatrick
    Roger Kirkpatrick

    Last Saturday morning, I answered a knock at my door to see a man standing next to a young boy who handed me a pamphlet posing the question, "How do you view the Bible? Would you say it is (1) a book of human wisdom? (2) a book of myths and legends? (3) the Word of God?"

    The boy asked me which answer I would choose, and I said I would choose all three, and went on to explain. (1) Clearly, the Bible contains human wisdom. King Solomon recorded the results of his search for meaning in the books of Proverbs and Ecclesiastes. (2) The Bible says that Jesus never failed to employ the use of parables (myths or legends) when teaching his listeners an important lesson. (3) Anyone who recognizes holy spirit accepts that the writers of the Bible were empowered by holy spirit, as are all living things. I added that Bob Dylan and the Beatles were empowered by the same spirit to write the songs they wrote.

    I asked the boy which answer he would choose. He chose answer #3, opening the pamphlet to reveal the following quotation: "All scripture is inspired of God." (2 Timothy 3:16, New World Translation) I commented that the scripture was compatible with my answer to all three of the questions posed on the face of the pamphlet, as my previous comments explained, and added, "I believe the more pertinent question would be, Who is the God mentioned in that scripture?"

    The boy answered, "Jehovah." I asked, "Who is Jehovah?" The man spoke up and said, "That is God's name." I replied that it is certainly one of the names given God by men. But, the same God is also called by other names, including Yahweh and Allah. I said I realized they preferred the pronunciation Jehovah as the name of God because that is what their movement had been named by Watchtower president, Joseph Rutherford, in 1931. "But, if you were to ask the New World Bible Translation Committee which pronunciation they felt was the more correct one, how do you suppose they would answer?" The man said they would choose Jehovah.

    I then mentioned to them that my daughter was a Jehovah's Witness. They asked her name, and I explained that she was now inactive and they would not know her, but I went and got my copy of The Kingdom Interlinear Translation of the Greek Scriptures, a Watchtower publication, and turned to page 23 of the Foreword, pointing out the following statement, "While inclining to view the pronunciation Yahweh as [I paused to let the man read the next phrase aloud] the more correct way, [and I continued reading] we have retained the form Jehovah because of people's familiarity with it since the 14th century." I asked why people have known the form Jehovah only since the 14th century? They had no answer, so I explained that the form Jehovah was first invented by a Catholic monk named Raymundus Martini in 1270. Then I asked, "So, if Yahweh really is the more correct way, as your translation committee admitted, can Jehovah really be God's name?" The man did not answer my question, but admitted he had never seen that Watchtower quote before.

    Attempting to ease his discomfort somewhat, I switched directions slightly. "With reference to naming God, I would like to share my personal opinion just to give you something to ponder. I believe that any god who can be named by man is not the Eternal God." Both the man and the boy raised their eyebrows. I continued, "After all, how did Jesus address God in the model prayer?" The man answered, "He said Our Father." I looked at the boy and asked, "Do you call your father by his given name, or do you call him dad?" He answered, dad. "Yes! A man's friends call him by his name. But a man's son calls him father, or dad, signifying a closer, more intimate relationship. So, shouldn't God's sons address him as Father, like Jesus did?" They both agreed.

    I said, "That brings up another issue I have with Watchtower teachings. Watchtower teaches that there are two classes of Christians having separate hopes; one class of 144,000 members, whom Watchtower considers to be God's sons, having a heavenly hope; and another class, an unnumbered “great crowd” whom Watchtower considers to be friends of God, having an earthly hope. However, Ephesians 4:4 says that all Christians are united in the “one hope” of heavenly life. Did you know that, prior to 1935, Watchtower also taught that all Christians are spirit anointed?" To my surprise, the man said he was not aware of that fact.

    Turning to Luke 1:9 in The Kingdom Interlinear Translation, I read aloud concerning Zechariah, who was to become the father of John the Baptist: "According to the solemn practice of the priestly office it became his turn to offer incense when he entered the sanctuary of Jehovah." I said, "You are familiar with Watchtower's book Insight On the Scriptures. If you look up the subject 'sanctuary,' you will see the definition: a divine habitation. What does that term signify to you?" The man thought carefully, then answered, where God lives. "Yes," I continued, "and who were the only ones who could enter the temple sanctuary in Zechariah's day? Only Levite priests, and only for the purpose of offering sacrifices for the people."

    Then I directed their attention to the original Greek word rendered there as sanctuary, and let the man read its literal meaning: "divine habitation." I reminded them that the sanctuary was divided into two chambers, the Holy and the Most Holy. The Most Holy signified heaven itself. "So what did the Holy signify?" I told them to look up the word 'temple' in the book Insight On the Scriptures, and they will find that Watchtower teaches that the Holy chamber signifies the spirit anointed condition of those serving therein while on earth but with heavenly life in view.

    Now I turned to Revelation 7:15, where it describes the worship of the symbolic great crowd in God's spiritual temple (a modern day Christian fellowship, or brotherhood; a spiritual association of followers of Christ). "They are rendering him sacred service day and night in his temple." Again, I let the man read aloud the literal meaning of the same Greek word, but rendered there as temple: "divine habitation."

    I summed up the point I was making "So, according to the Bible--and according to Watchtower publications--the symbolic great crowd is made up of Christians who are spirit anointed with heavenly life in view. But, that is not what Jehovah's Witnesses teach, is it!" He admitted that it wasn't what they teach, and that he would research the matter further.

    With that, I shook their hands and thanked them both for stopping by.

  • eyeuse2badub
    eyeuse2badub

    Roger,

    given enough time, I believe that you could persuade even me to be a non jw! lol

    just saying!

  • overlappingwokemeup
    overlappingwokemeup

    I have to say that most often I do not take the time to read such a long post; however, this one gripped me from the get go - well done Mr. Kirkpatrick. And in all honestly, I am very proud of the father that listened and that his son saw his example. Just marvelous...

  • Nathan Natas
    Nathan Natas

    Are Baal and Molech also aliases for the Artist formerly known as Jehovah? Maybe Satan is too, right?

  • stan livedeath
    stan livedeath

    now you see why the cart work is the better option--no need to get involved in a doorstep lecture.

  • ohnightdivine
    ohnightdivine

    Next thing we know, the JW father has started to research online, found this site, and now started to lurk here. That would be nice. 😅

  • ToesUp
    ToesUp

    Great job Roger!

    I hope you count YOUR field service time. lol

    They thought they were going to teach you a thing or two but were oh so wrong. I love it!!!

  • Betheliesalot
    Betheliesalot

    I was surprised that they allowed you to question their Jehovah and bring up Yahweh and Allah. At that point I would think they would have excused themselves and booked it out of your yard, and marked your address to never come back. You were bursting their cult bubble and they were squirming to get the hell out of your doorstep.

  • Tobyjones262
    Tobyjones262

    I was hoping they all were doing cart work. I hate it when they knock. Its wasted time.

  • dubstepped
    dubstepped

    Nice work! I too am surprised that they would engage that long.

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